It just keeps looking more and more amazing all the time

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Not a single one of Borel's last five Kentucky Derby mounts have even given up a position at a single call in their running line in the Derby.

Borel's hopeless Ten Cents A Shine ran well enough to be somehow made 8/1 in the Preakness.

16-15-14-11-8 at the position calls:



Obviously his next Derby mount Street Sense had his two big signature races at Churchill Downs. Winning the BC Juvie by 10 lengths at 15/1 odds under Borel and beating Hard Spun and Curlin in the Derby.

19-17-3-1-1 at the position calls:




Mine That Bird got him his 2nd win in the race.

19-19-12-1-1




Denis Of Cork's 3rd and Super Saver's win remain the other two:




Crazy.

[randallscott35]

At CD, I believe. Elsewhere he is Samyn.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

At CD, I believe. Elsewhere he is Samyn.

He's been a God at Churchill for the two years before he won his first Derby with Street Sense.

Winning the Grade 1 Stephen Foster on 91/1 Seek Gold was probably his greatest of many great miracles the last six or seven years in CD dirt routes.

Zito basically gave Seek Gold away for peanuts to the incompetent Ron Moquett ... if anyone wants a laugh ... take a look at how terrible Ronny Mo is doing at Delaware this year.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's been a God at Churchill for the two years before he won his first Derby with Street Sense.

Winning the Grade 1 Stephen Foster on 91/1 Seek Gold was probably his greatest of many great miracles the last six or seven years in CD dirt routes.

Zito basically gave Seek Gold away for peanuts to the incompetent Ron Moquett ... if anyone wants a laugh ... take a look at how terrible Ronny Mo is doing at Delaware this year.

That race fell apart and was horribly slow. Who cares

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That race fell apart and was horribly slow. Who cares

Mostly all of his big wins there come in races that fall apart.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Mostly all of his big wins there come in races that fall apart.

I'd hardly say Street Sense race fell apart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I'd hardly say Street Sense race fell apart.

I wasn't just talking about his Derby wins...most of his Graded Stakes win there have as well.

I'mawildandcrazyguy was nipped for 3rd by Curlin in that race. Almost all Ky Derby's fall apart to some extent.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wasn't just talking about his Derby wins...most of his Graded Stakes win there have as well.

I'mawildandcrazyguy was nipped for 3rd by Curlin in that race. Almost all Ky Derby's fall apart to some extent.

That has more to do with distance than pace.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That has more to do with distance than pace.

No it doesn't. It has more to do with field size and pace than distance.

You have merry-go-round years when the riders all want to rate - War Emblem over Proud Citizen for instance.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No it doesn't. It has more to do with field size and pace than distance.

You have merry-go-round years when the riders all want to rate - War Emblem over Proud Citizen for instance.

Nope, not many. You pointed to all of 1 recently.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not a single one of Borel's last five Kentucky Derby mounts have even given up a position at a single call in their running line in the Derby.

Borel's hopeless Ten Cents A Shine ran well enough to be somehow made 8/1 in the Preakness.

Somehow? Just take a look who was riding that horse in the preakness and there is your answer

[the_fat_man]

What is this important? I didn't bother to look at all the running lines but:

Mine that Bird and Dennis of Cork were last for a good part of the race and picked up horses as the race fell apart. And they, along with Super Saver LOST GROUND for one call in the race. Clearly, losing a position is irrelevant/impossible in the case of the two that were LAST, and for Super Saver, losing ground between the 1st and 2nd call is as relevant as losing a position, since others were gaining that split. This points to how good a trip he got.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Nope, not many. You pointed to all of 1 recently.

Smarty jones and lion heart?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Smarty jones and lion heart?

That was a pretty strong pace... the other 3 horses on the lead after the 1/2 mile call finished last, 2nd to last, and 3rd to last. Those two were just far superior. The 3rd, 5th, and 6th finishers came from far back and Limehouse ran a remarkable race to be 4th beaten 8.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Somehow? Just take a look who was riding that horse in the preakness and there is your answer

Well - Bailey riding and Lukas training. Ten Cents a Shine looked more like 800/1 than 8/1.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well - Bailey riding and Lukas training. Ten Cents a Shine looked more like 800/1 than 8/1.

Just like the 2001 Jim Dandy when Bailey won on Lukas trained Scorpion. 12-1 shot looked more like 50-1 plus.

[dalakhani]

I remember this thread. Is Borel on anything live?

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I remember this thread. Is Borel on anything live?

Just a word of advice, I am looking long and hard at the mounts of 3 jocks: Borel, Albarado, and Leparoux.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

Just a word of advice, I am looking long and hard at the mounts of 3 jocks: Borel, Albarado, and Leparoux.

Good advice Golfer... This means that I now have to go back and re look/re think the whole damn thing again... AAArruughhh

I can not remember a Breeder's Cup so damn difficult and my head is spinning I tell ya with trying to figure this and that out in every dang race...Just to look it again later and change my mind yet again

[letswastemoney]

I think it was easier when it was on synthetics. All you had to do was throw the dirt horses out...