7.4 Billion earmarked for 9/11 first responders

jms62 · #1 09-26-2010, 06:34 AM

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09...illion-in-aid/

This should be an interesting debate. We are living in the times of no responsibility for your choices in life. Sorry for all the firefigters that were injured however to borrow a quote from a famous movie

"This is the business we chose."

johnny pinwheel · #2 09-26-2010, 09:39 AM

this is how this usually goes....politicians: "remember our heros that go into harms way to preseve our freedom...blah....blah...blah...BS...BS"....... then when the vote comes down it does not pass....lol. then theres a million and one excuses why it did not.one guy points a finger at the guy on the other side...and nothing happens. yeah, keep trusting the two parties they are looking out for YOU !........they've only been getting away with this for decades and people are so stupid they still believe in one or the other...lol...lol

Riot · #3 09-26-2010, 02:38 PM

Maybe we could take away all the health care we give our military after they are discharged. After all, there's no draft. They chose to, for example, get both legs blown off in Afghanistan.

Ummm .... naw.

We are a society. If one doesn't want to enjoy the benefits of society, in exchange for the obligations, but rather would prefer a world of rugged individualists with zero societal obligations, it may be better to join up with the sociopaths.

Oh, wait. That would make "sociopaths" a societal group. They don't "do" groups.

This is too existential for me

hi_im_god · #4 09-26-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe we could take away all the health care we give our military after they are discharged. After all, there's no draft. They chose to, for example, get both legs blown off in Afghanistan.

Ummm .... naw.

We are a society. If one doesn't want to enjoy the benefits of society, in exchange for the obligations, but rather would prefer a world of rugged individualists with zero societal obligations, it may be better to join up with the sociopaths.

Oh, wait. That would make "sociopaths" a societal group. They don't "do" groups.

This is too existential for me

that's all very nice but i still have my free floating anger issues.

bitch.

Riot · #5 09-26-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's all very nice but i still have my free floating anger issues.

bitch.

jms62 · #6 09-26-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe we could take away all the health care we give our military after they are discharged. After all, there's no draft. They chose to, for example, get both legs blown off in Afghanistan.

Ummm .... naw.

We are a society. If one doesn't want to enjoy the benefits of society, in exchange for the obligations, but rather would prefer a world of rugged individualists with zero societal obligations, it may be better to join up with the sociopaths.

Oh, wait. That would make "sociopaths" a societal group. They don't "do" groups.

This is too existential for me

So you make a point using something that everyone will feel strongly in support of. Unfortunately it has nothing whatsoever to do with THE point. Nice attempt at deflection. We are not taking away anything from the first responders. We are spending 7.4 Billion of of which we don't have... Societal Obligations is right. We have an obligation to our children and our childrens children to not let them live in a broke third world country. What's next ??? 5 Billion for families of Alaskan Crab fisherman who lost their lives at sea?

hi_im_god · #7 09-26-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

So you make a point using something that everyone will feel strongly in support of. Unfortunately it has nothing whatsoever to do with THE point. Nice attempt at deflection. We are not taking away anything from the first responders. We are spending 7.4 Billion of of which we don't have... Societal Obligations is right. We have an obligation to our children and our childrens children to not let them live in a broke third world country. What's next ??? 5 Billion for families of Alaskan Crab fisherman who lost their lives at sea?

no.

$700 billion in tax breaks for the top 1% is next.

get with the program.

Riot · #8 09-26-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

So you make a point using something that everyone will feel strongly in support of. Unfortunately it has nothing whatsoever to do with THE point. Nice attempt at deflection. We are not taking away anything from the first responders. We are spending 7.4 Billion of of which we don't have... Societal Obligations is right. We have an obligation to our children and our childrens children to not let them live in a broke third world country. What's next ??? 5 Billion for families of Alaskan Crab fisherman who lost their lives at sea?

So what is YOUR "the" point? That we are not to spend any money, ever, on anything? That you're a strict social Darwinist? Either? Both? Neither?

Do first responders everywhere - fire, paramedic, police - a big favor. Tattoo across your forehead, "I believe in strict self-responsibility for my choices". Then, when they trip over your half-alive body after an accident or fire, they can just leave you to the responsibility for the result of your choice, and save someone else.

I see plenty of good things to spend our money on, and improving the lives of the people who protect us sure as hell is one.

Antitrust32 · #9 09-26-2010, 06:50 PM

this is not a bad thing. the first responders deserve to be well cared of. props to whoever earmarked this.

jms62 · #10 09-27-2010, 05:40 AM

LOL... People spend the time to post but don't even spend the time to read the link they are posting about. This wasn't / isn't and never will be a post on whether or not first responders should get an entitlement... Riot's post really shows that she can't even dig in past the ****i<ng headlines. In this case I don't believe she even read the headline. Riot sometimes its better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubts.

clyde · #11 09-27-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's all very nice but i still have my free floating anger issues.

bitch.

!!

But "cu.nt' would have been my choice.

Riot · #12 09-27-2010, 10:58 PM

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LOL... People spend the time to post but don't even spend the time to read the link they are posting about. This wasn't / isn't and never will be a post on whether or not first responders should get an entitlement...

Sorry, I'm not talking about entitlements, rocket scientist. Although that "not an entitlement" - a payment/fund for illness suffered by first responders in the attack - appears to be exactly what you are bitching about. You're the one that posted it's all about money, for you:

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with THE point ... We are spending 7.4 Billion of of which we don't have... Societal Obligations is right. We have an obligation to our children and our childrens children to not let them live in a broke third world country. What's next ??? 5 Billion for families of Alaskan Crab fisherman who lost their lives at sea?

I'm talking about your selfish, narrow-minded, ungrateful piss-poor attitude of: First responders chose this life, let them live with the consequences if they are injured on the job.

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Riot's post really shows that she can't even dig in past the ****i<ng headlines.

It doesn't seem that I am the one with the reading comprehension problem.

Get your forehead tattoo yet?

timmgirvan · #13 09-27-2010, 11:04 PM

Oh Riot, that piss poor attitude is the same attitude your beloved Pres said about the troops and their medical expenses! just saying.....

Riot · #14 09-27-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Oh Riot, that piss poor attitude is the same attitude your beloved Pres said about the troops and their medical expenses! just saying.....

Just saying what, Timmi? You have nothing to add to the thread but changing the subject so you can get in a gratuitous potshot at Obama for something Hannity told you to get pissed about in 2009, and which Obama dropped?

Did you forget you are supposed to "love privatized healthcare"?

Let's fairly note that Obama sure has hell has shown more concern for the civilians harmed in the 9-11 terrorist attack (and that especially includes the civilian first responders) than jms62.

timmgirvan · #15 09-27-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Just saying what, Timmi? You have nothing to add to the thread but changing the subject so you can get in a gratuitous potshot at Obama for something Hannity told you to get pissed about in 2009, and which Obama dropped?

Did you forget you are supposed to "love privatized healthcare"?

Let's fairly note that Obama sure has hell has shown more concern for the civilians harmed in the 9-11 terrorist attack (and that especially includes the civilian first responders) than jms62.

I dont watch Hannity, and it wasnt gratuitous...it was well-earned.
you're kinda revved up tonite,huh?

Riot · #16 09-27-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I dont watch Hannity, and it wasnt gratuitous...it was well-earned.
you're kinda revved up tonite,huh?

Stellar day at WEG, terrific dinner out with friends downtown, just got home and wanted to give you some shiat, buddy

And you would LOVE Hannity: he rarely says "President Obama", he refers to him on his program as, "The Anointed One"

timmgirvan · #17 09-27-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Stellar day at WEG, terrific dinner out with friends downtown, just got home and wanted to give you some shiat, buddy

And you would LOVE Hannity: he rarely says "President Obama", he refers to him on his program as, "The Anointed One"

Glad I was there for ya!

jms62 · #18 09-28-2010, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I dont watch Hannity, and it wasnt gratuitous...it was well-earned.
you're kinda revved up tonite,huh?

She talks about changing the subject when all her comments on my initial post were not about the subject. Maybe Riot and Nascar should breed. I hear Ringling Brothers has a clown shortage.

Danzig · #19 09-28-2010, 07:31 AM

allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...

why should first responders in this instance get any more than a first responder in any other incident? aren't there already things in place to cover injuries/ilnesses that are job related? why should my brother, out on permanent disability from the dcfd, get less than someone who was at a more famous tragedy?

jms62 · #20 09-28-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...

why should first responders in this instance get any more than a first responder in any other incident? aren't there already things in place to cover injuries/ilnesses that are job related? why should my brother, out on permanent disability from the dcfd, get less than someone who was at a more famous tragedy?

Ding... Ding... Ding... Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. I see you read the article.. Great Work.