The petition

[my miss storm cat]

Claudette P. says
Oct 22, 2010 8:25 PM

I think it is a terrible thing when people live off of an animals gift. I refer to those people as parasites! It's 2010 and it's time people learn how to live off of their own skills. DROP THE GREED!! Not all horses can run fast enough to win a race without having a heart attack or without dousing them with drugs. No wonder half of the race horses have heart attacks, get scared or panic and break their legs or worse. Horses have devoted their entire lives and trust in us humans for hundreds of years, and this is how we treat them . . . If it wasn't for horses I doubt humans would have ever survived . . . Pretty pathetic if you ask me. We need to show horses love, compassion, respect and let them be!

http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-w...ghts-dont-mix/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...?z00m=19901293

Once, after I was upset because of the breakdown of a particular horse, someone asked me if they "shoot them on the track or somewhere else". This was actually a very educated individual.

Soooooo I have no idea why I continue to be surprised by idiocy but I do.

I just wondered if anyone had seen this.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Claudette P. says
Oct 22, 2010 8:25 PM

I think it is a terrible thing when people live off of an animals gift. I refer to those people as parasites! It's 2010 and it's time people learn how to live off of their own skills. DROP THE GREED!! Not all horses can run fast enough to win a race without having a heart attack or without dousing them with drugs. No wonder half of the race horses have heart attacks, get scared or panic and break their legs or worse. Horses have devoted their entire lives and trust in us humans for hundreds of years, and this is how we treat them . . . If it wasn't for horses I doubt humans would have ever survived . . . Pretty pathetic if you ask me. We need to show horses love, compassion, respect and let them be!

http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-w...ghts-dont-mix/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...?z00m=19901293

Once, after I was upset because of the breakdown of a particular horse, someone asked me if they "shoot them on the track or somewhere else". This was actually a very educated individual.

Soooooo I have no idea why I continue to be surprised by idiocy but I do.

I just wondered if anyone had seen this.

If you don't think there is some truth to what she is saying then you are in serious denial.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you don't think there is some truth to what she is saying then you are in serious denial.

Really, half of all horses have heart attacks, panic, break their legs or worse ?

[Danzig]

horses are doused with drugs? hmmm....didn't know that.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you don't think there is some truth to what she is saying then you are in serious denial.

Wow. Okay.

I want to preface this by saying that part of trying to be a good person is, to me, doing whatever it is in your power to make something better. Even if it's close to nothing... the thought of it, the feeling behind it... that counts or should count. Some small thing.

A name of a forgotten, never-known horse and a mention that they are gone is all I can do.

It's smaller than small... it is nothing. It is absolutely nothing.

It doesn't matter if it's a 4k claimer... I will try to pay tribute in my own nothing way - a last time they are named and where they died - on a little nothing thread on the internet.

It's all I can do.

That said, at least give me a little credit here for not being a complete moron.

Equestrian games are bloodsports, no different from bullfights, rodeos or hunting. Any "sport" that involves an unwilling participant is no sport at all, it's torture, murder, exploitation and slavery.


In general I hate bullies and I hate crap like this because people who don't know any better believe this stuff.

You seem like a nice guy and so it hurts my feelings a tiny bit that you presume to know whether or not I'm in any kind of denial and assume that I probably am.

Bad things happen, I know.

This though? This is bullshit.

[somerfrost]

There is an element of truth here, unfortunately these folks over-simplify matters to suit their agenda. Most folks involved in this sport (owners and trainers) really love the animals and are profoundly saddened when one gets injured, on the other hand, handicappers often appear shallow and uncaring. I think all of us need to remain aware of the sports problems while enjoying the that which is good!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

on the other hand, handicappers often appear shallow and uncaring.

I don't agree. Or maybe they appear that way cause a lot of them don't go out of their way to talk about it but no... if it comes up? I'd say they are for the most part very compassionate. Rough exteriors disappear pretty quickly when it comes down to it.

I think some people here might be surprised at some of the donations I know of first hand made by a couple of the hardcore types.

They have hearts of gold. They just don't announce it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Wow. Okay.

I want to preface this by saying that part of trying to be a good person is, to me, doing whatever it is in your power to make something better. Even if it's close to nothing... the thought of it, the feeling behind it... that counts or should count. Some small thing.

A name of a forgotten, never-known horse and a mention that they are gone is all I can do.

It's smaller than small... it is nothing. It is absolutely nothing.

It doesn't matter if it's a 4k claimer... I will try to pay tribute in my own nothing way - a last time they are named and where they died - on a little nothing thread on the internet.

It's all I can do.

That said, at least give me a little credit here for not being a complete moron.

Equestrian games are bloodsports, no different from bullfights, rodeos or hunting. Any "sport" that involves an unwilling participant is no sport at all, it's torture, murder, exploitation and slavery.


In general I hate bullies and I hate crap like this because people who don't know any better believe this stuff.

You seem like a nice guy and so it hurts my feelings a tiny bit that you presume to know whether or not I'm in any kind of denial and assume that I probably am.

Bad things happen, I know.

This though? This is bullshit.

"Equestrian games are bloodsports, no different from bullfights, rodeos or hunting. Any "sport" that involves an unwilling participant is no sport at all, it's torture, murder, exploitation and slavery."

I would have to agree with you that this statement is a little over the top. I didn't say that I agree with everything that these people say. I was simply saying that horseracing is a cruel sport in general.

[my miss storm cat]

Okay well I'm sorry for overreacting. I just took it personally and while I don't mind playing the role of air head at times this just bothered me. It was like I must be completely heartless if I didn't realize certain things. Sorry.

We're cool.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There is an element of truth here, unfortunately these folks over-simplify matters to suit their agenda. Most folks involved in this sport (owners and trainers) really love the animals and are profoundly saddened when one gets injured, on the other hand, handicappers often appear shallow and uncaring. I think all of us need to remain aware of the sports problems while enjoying the that which is good!

I think that a very high percentage of owners and trainers would run their horse with a fairly serious injury if they thought it would be profitable. I couldn't say that such owners and trainers truly love their horses.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There is an element of truth here, unfortunately these folks over-simplify matters to suit their agenda. Most folks involved in this sport (owners and trainers) really love the animals and are profoundly saddened when one gets injured, on the other hand, handicappers often appear shallow and uncaring. I think all of us need to remain aware of the sports problems while enjoying the that which is good!

Shallow and uncaring? Handicappers have no say in racing schedule or training regimen of horses.We only bet what is offered in the entries. Its actually in the better intrest of handicappers and everyone involved to have healthy horses running otherwise you are cheating the public and most importantly the horse.

[rpncaine]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Shallow and uncaring? Handicappers have no say in racing schedule or training regimen of horses.We only bet what is offered in the entries. Its actually in the better intrest of handicappers and everyone involved to have healthy horses running otherwise you are cheating the public and most importantly the horse.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Shallow and uncaring? Handicappers have no say in racing schedule or training regimen of horses.We only bet what is offered in the entries. Its actually in the better intrest of handicappers and everyone involved to have healthy horses running otherwise you are cheating the public and most importantly the horse.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but well said. As a bettor, I'd rather lose a bet than have a horse break down, 10 times out of 10. But unfortunately it's part of the game, and I'm not going to stop playing a game I love because there are some (infrequent) tragic moments. If that makes me callous, I guess that's what it is.

[chucklestheclown]

This is bad:

http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-w...irthday-prank/

[eajinabi]

Also I would perfer a multi-millionaire owning a race horse than a poor farmer/rancher owning one just to have them in thier barn. Which of the two have the resources and money to provide for the horses well being?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Also I would perfer a multi-millionaire owning a race horse than a poor farmer/rancher owning one just to have them in thier barn. Which of the two have the resources and money to provide for the horses well being?

you mean like ernie paragallo? i'd rather someone owned horses that cared about the responsibility, and lived up to that responsibility.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you mean like ernie paragallo? i'd rather someone owned horses that cared about the responsibility, and lived up to that responsibility.

He is a bad seed amongst the very responsible horse owners there are.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

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Equestrian games are bloodsports, no different from bullfights, rodeos or hunting. Any "sport" that involves an unwilling participant is no sport at all, it's torture, murder, exploitation and slavery.


This though? This is bullshit.

Whoever wrote this has never ridden or been around horses much. You cannot force a 1500 lbs. animal to do Grand Prix dressage moves; they have to enjoy the challenge. You cannot force a horse to race; Stacelita refusing to break out of the gate, and an English chaser I saw that, after the tapes went up, cantered to the outgate and refused to move are evidence of that proposition. It's not unusual to see a horse who has lost its rider to continue on the course, jumping all the jumps, running with his buddies because he enjoys it. Or rates himself off the pace in a flat race, pounces in the stretch to 'win.' Ever see the CCA Oaks when Starrer lost her jock? She got over to the rail in the lead and just ran and ran until she was a pole in front of the other competitors at the finish line. Racehorses like to run; jockeys are for guidance and encouragement.

Horses have been bred for hundreds of generations to be cooperative with their human 'herd leaders', just as dogs have been. They usually WANT to please their person; conflict generally arises when wishes aren't communicated clearly, in both directions.

There was much more abuse in the days before modern horsesports, when horses were used for transportation by people who didn't care much about what happened to them. Horsepeople today are far more humane than the ancestors of these bozos, who rode in urban horsetrams and never cared if the animals were overworked.