now that santa anita has gone back to dirt

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

will you play it ?

[randallscott35]

No way. Starve the beast. They raised takeout in all of Cali. I refuse to play there again.

[jms62]

If we get more than a steady diet of 5 horse fields I'll play

[MaTH716]

Eventually I will, but so many of those horses out there have been running on the fake stuff for so long, that I might be inclined to watch for a month. It will be interesting to see any type of trends between the poly horses versus horses shipping in. Also those horses that reversed their form at the Fairplex and then regressed back at Hollywood might require a second look.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

No way. Starve the beast. They raised takeout in all of Cali. I refuse to play there again.

I'm not for egregious takeout increases but there are two valid reasons for this instance:

1.) The new levels are still extremely competitive with the nationwide average.

2.) The increased takeout will enable them to increase purses and make a last ditch effort to revitalize CA racing, which is headed down a dark and lonely path.

Contrary to what HANA may lead you to believe, takeout decreases are not the panacea of racing.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm not for egregious takeout increases but there are two valid reasons for this instance:

1.) The new levels are still extremely competitive with the nationwide average.

2.) The increased takeout will enable them to increase purses and make a last ditch effort to revitalize CA racing, which is headed down a dark and lonely path.

Contrary to what HANA may lead you to believe, takeout decreases are not the panacea of racing.

I know I know, it's a canard as always. Increasing takeout will not increase purses.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I know I know, it's a canard as always. Increasing takeout will not increase purses.

Overnight purses are going up 25% and its not because Uncle Frank is printing money in ze money room.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Overnight purses are going up 25% and its not because Uncle Frank is printing money in ze money room.

Let's see at the end of the meet where things are. Handle etc...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

2.) The increased takeout will enable them to increase purses and make a last ditch effort to revitalize CA racing, which is headed down a dark and lonely path.

Facepalm.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Contrary to what HANA may lead you to believe, takeout decreases are not the panacea of racing.

Double facepalm.

[notyep59]

impressive.......panacea & canard, in a thread without steve's input.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Facepalm.



Double facepalm.

At the very least, the increased purses at the beginning of the meet have attracted Steve Asmussen to go out there for the first time and for trainers that left like Eric Guillot to return. Those guys have the horsepower to help a meet simply because of their numbers and the variety of horses they have. The assumption that increased handle will enable them to sustain those purse levels is hardly a crazy one.

I'm interested to know why you think decreasing takeout will lead to some great revival of racing. Exchange wagering has a significantly better chance to help turn things around. Going from 20.68% on exotics to 22.68% while leaving the WPS takeout the same is going to make a difference for CA racing. The CA racing model is completely broken. Trying to survive with meets like what they're offering at Hollywood is never going to work.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

At the very least, the increased purses at the beginning of the meet have attracted Steve Asmussen to go out there for the first time and for trainers that left like Eric Guillot to return. Those guys have the horsepower to help a meet simply because of their numbers and the variety of horses they have. The assumption that increased handle will enable them to sustain those purse levels is hardly a crazy one.

I'm interested to know why you think decreasing takeout will lead to some great revival of racing. Exchange wagering has a significantly better chance to help turn things around. Going from 20.68% on exotics to 22.68% while leaving the WPS takeout the same is going to make a difference for CA racing. The CA racing model is completely broken. Trying to survive with meets like what they're offering at Hollywood is never going to work.

So let's make takeout 50% for WPS and then we can have really really big purses. I'm sure that will work!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm not for egregious takeout increases but there are two valid reasons for this instance:

1.) The new levels are still extremely competitive with the nationwide average.

2.) The increased takeout will enable them to increase purses and make a last ditch effort to revitalize CA racing, which is headed down a dark and lonely path.

Contrary to what HANA may lead you to believe, takeout decreases are not the panacea of racing.

People just don't get there has to be a happy medium. Unfortunately people see the industry as a pyramid instead of as a circle. The quicker they get to the circle mentality, the better off the industry will be. Problem is that people are bred to think the pyramid mentality.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So let's make takeout 50% for WPS and then we can have really really big purses. I'm sure that will work!

How ignorant can 1 be?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

How ignorant can 1 be?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So let's make takeout 50% for WPS and then we can have really really big purses. I'm sure that will work!

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

At the very least, the increased purses at the beginning of the meet have attracted Steve Asmussen to go out there for the first time and for trainers that left like Eric Guillot to return.

They have Asmussen back for one meet because of dirt (he will be gone come HP) and they get Guillot to return ... wow.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm interested to know why you think decreasing takeout will lead to some great revival of racing.

It's a long, long term process - but with the takeout rates where they are at - betting horses will always be viewed as sucker bait. The slide will continue.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Exchange wagering has a significantly better chance to help turn things around.

I'd believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny before I believe the powers that be have enough of a clue to not screw up exchange wagering.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Pretty much. Sadly the econ lesson of taxing something makes it a deterrent hasn't been learned.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They have Asmussen back for one meet because of dirt (he will be gone come HP) and they get Guillot to return ... wow.

It's a long, long term process - but with the takeout rates where they are at - betting horses will always be viewed as sucker bait. The slide will continue.

I'd believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny before I believe the powers that be have enough of a clue to not screw up exchange wagering.

Why should SA give a crap about Hollywood? We're talking about Santa Anita right now. Asmussen could to to Thailand after the meet for all SA cares.

Whether the takeout is 20%, 22%, or 30% the bettors are going to be looked at as suckers. What other group of people are willing to bet into something that's filtered so heavily? The takeout going up 2% is not going to change the way Frank Stronach, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jeff Mullins or Joel Rosario view the bettors.

I agree with you about exchange wagering. When push comes to shove they'll f.uck it up I'm sure.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Pretty much. Sadly the econ lesson of taxing something makes it a deterrent hasn't been learned.

If I needed an econ lesson I would have given you a ring. I don't. You grossly exaggerated what I said, attempted to pass it off as what I said then attempted to point out the inaccuracy in what I said, when it was really your insane exaggeration that you actually mocked.