Scat Daddy or Circular Quay?

#1 09-01-2006, 08:27 PM

In your opinion, which Pletcher baby is better and will win the Hopeful? (if you think Pletcher will win the race, which appears most likely)

I think Scat Daddy is a better horse and will assert himself Monday as the early deserving favorite for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile....You could tell he was special while watching him train at Churchill Downs the two weeks before the Derby with all of Pletcher's first string.

His dam side suggests he'll at least get the 1 1/16-mile distance of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile (although I'm not sure the Derby distance will suit him at three being that he is a Johanessburg...may be more of a miler type, we'll see...)

He is the goods though....

zippyneedsawin · #2 09-01-2006, 11:52 PM

I've been in CQ's corner since watching his maiden score. Scat Daddy is nice, but I've been more impressed with CQ's races.. I'll take him.

dalakhani · #3 09-02-2006, 02:06 AM

I dont know Joel. After watching replays, i think CQ is the better horse. Just seems to have a nicer action. Why do you like SD better?

Scurlogue Champ · #4 09-02-2006, 05:21 AM

I like Circular Quay also. He looked pretty good at Churchill that day he won the minor stake.

Is Lukas putting his FuPeg in there? I never saw another run from it since the day that CQ won and ran against him.

#5 09-02-2006, 09:43 AM

It may be neither if the Lukas horse runs his race. I've seen em all train, and Lukas is training as good or better than anyone. Circular Quay is training real well in his last two works, only had one subpar breeze.

Danzig · #6 09-02-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I like Circular Quay also. He looked pretty good at Churchill that day he won the minor stake.

Is Lukas putting his FuPeg in there? I never saw another run from it since the day that CQ won and ran against him.

yeah, pegasus wind is supposed to run. this is the highest i've seen lukas on a horse in a while....this will be his third start i think.

#7 09-02-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

In your opinion, which Pletcher baby is better and will win the Hopeful? (if you think Pletcher will win the race, which appears most likely)

I think Scat Daddy is a better horse and will assert himself Monday as the early deserving favorite for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile....You could tell he was special while watching him train at Churchill Downs the two weeks before the Derby with all of Pletcher's first string.

His dam side suggests he'll at least get the 1 1/16-mile distance of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile (although I'm not sure the Derby distance will suit him at three being that he is a Johanessburg...may be more of a miler type, we'll see...)

He is the goods though....

God help me with the genetics crapola. Just watch the horses RUN and report. Thats the goods.

#8 09-02-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont know Joel. After watching replays, i think CQ is the better horse. Just seems to have a nicer action. Why do you like SD better?

Actually, I thought Circular Quay's action was very subpar...he is a nice horse and I think he'll definately go longer, but he is pretty hard on himself with his high action and is not the most efficient mover....watch him Monday...he kicks those front legs up pretty high.....

Scat Daddy has a beautiful long stride and is just a better looking horse period...I think his upside is much greater...I think the horse won on pure ability last out when most two-year-olds would have packed it in with the inside, green journey while taking dirt that is not advantageous to juveniles because of their lack of seasoning....

He has that very classy appearance about him...his eye...the way he carries himself...watching how he trains and does his job....I just think he is a good horse...

#9 09-02-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I like Circular Quay also. He looked pretty good at Churchill that day he won the minor stake.

Is Lukas putting his FuPeg in there? I never saw another run from it since the day that CQ won and ran against him.

Pegasus Wind or something like that??...Yeah, he came back and impressively broke his maiden at the Spa last month and I do belive that he is running in Monday's Hopeful....I think he's a nice horse but I'll take Scat Daddy over him...I'm not a huge fan of Pegasus Wind's trainer...just not...but I've seen him train at CD and he is a very talented horse....he could be right there at the wire on Monday...

#10 09-02-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

God help me with the genetics crapola. Just watch the horses RUN and report. Thats the goods.

Anybody can do that...I would rather use my knowledge to forecast...

Danzig · #11 09-02-2006, 11:52 AM

where ya been cunningham?! let me guess, working....

between the two, i think i'd take scat daddy as well....but pegasus wind will be tough. what a dorky name by the way!

King Glorious · #12 09-04-2006, 01:36 PM

I like Pegasus Wind to beat them both.

Revolution · #13 09-04-2006, 02:04 PM

i like circular quay once they stretch out in the bcj. today i would go with lukas.

Scurlogue Champ · #14 09-04-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Actually, I thought Circular Quay's action was very subpar...he is a nice horse and I think he'll definately go longer, but he is pretty hard on himself with his high action and is not the most efficient mover....watch him Monday...he kicks those front legs up pretty high.....

Scat Daddy has a beautiful long stride and is just a better looking horse period...I think his upside is much greater...I think the horse won on pure ability last out when most two-year-olds would have packed it in with the inside, green journey while taking dirt that is not advantageous to juveniles because of their lack of seasoning....

He has that very classy appearance about him...his eye...the way he carries himself...watching how he trains and does his job....I just think he is a good horse...

Did you think the same about Barbaro's action?

packerbacker7964 · #15 09-04-2006, 02:20 PM

The Lukas horse will go to the lead and make them catch him. How good is speed holding up at the Spa is the real ?

2Hot4TV · #16 09-04-2006, 02:44 PM

CQ looks just fine with my money on him again. Thanks

2Hot4TV · #17 09-04-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

In your opinion, which Pletcher baby is better and will win the Hopeful? (if you think Pletcher will win the race, which appears most likely)

I think Scat Daddy is a better horse and will assert himself Monday as the early deserving favorite for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile....You could tell he was special while watching him train at Churchill Downs the two weeks before the Derby with all of Pletcher's first string.

His dam side suggests he'll at least get the 1 1/16-mile distance of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile (although I'm not sure the Derby distance will suit him at three being that he is a Johanessburg...may be more of a miler type, we'll see...)

He is the goods though....

Handicapping rule#2 Study long study wrong

#18 09-04-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

Did you think the same about Barbaro's action?

Yeah, isn't he broke down?

zippyneedsawin · #19 09-04-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, isn't he broke down?

are you implying that barbaro's leg action had anything to do with his breakdown?

#20 09-04-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Handicapping rule#2 Study long study wrong

Scat Daddy is a better horse and will beat him in the Breeders' Cup...maye not the Champagne, but in the Breeders' Cup when they stretchout around two turns and the real test in on the line....another horrid trip by Scat Daddy in the Hopeful that cost him, plus I think Circular Quay is looking more ad more like a one-turn closer specialist...we'll see, but my gut says he won't be as affective going two-turns for several reasons (and yes, I'm aware that he is a Thunder Gulch....)

Johhny V. needs to be arrested for the multiple bad rides he's already put on this talented colt....unreal in a 5-horse field....Oh yeah, he stumbled BADLY at the start ad had to be used three or so times in the race to the far turn if anybody noticed...he is the best of this generation...you can't win 'em all...thats horse racing...bad luck plays a factor..