Healthcare repeal fails

[Riot]

Healthcare repeal vote fails in Senate.

Okay, Republicans - you had your little time-wasting, dog and pony theatre indulgence. Time to leave 2010 behind, and step into 2011. Don't even utter the word "health care" until after the Supremes weigh in, or unless you have any amendments to make the law better.

Now is the time to step up if you have anything to offer us regarding jobs and the economy. Remember, the reason you were elected?

All you've done so far is to introduce HR 3, a bill trying to change abortion rights, and lessen the definition of rape as an insult to all women.

It's nice you revert to fighting culture wars (it is what you know best) but you said you'd fix the economy and create jobs. Please, go ahead!

[dellinger63]

You think republicans want to repeal obamacare because of some hate we/they have?

Repealing obamacare has everything to do with both preserving good healthcare and the economy and you're right that's why they were elected.

[trackrat59]

Who cares what Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson, and Diana Ross think?

[Riot]

You think republicans want to repeal obamacare because of some hate we/they have?

No. Why do you ask?

Repealing obamacare has everything to do with both preserving good healthcare and the economy and you're right that's why they were elected.

That's a view - but a minority one. Especially thinking it will worsen healthcare (that made me laugh). The bill is the law of the land. Has been for months. Public support for keeping it, or making it stronger, is the majority now that people realize "death panels" were a lie (Jan 17 2011 AP-GfK poll) It's already helped people. It's prevented sick children from rescission. It's gotten young people back insured on their parents insurance. It's already started to close the donut hole for some seniors, and decreased their drug costs for generics by 50%. It extends the Medicare Trust Fund by 12 years.

It will never be repealed. Why should it be? If there's something in there that isn't liked (like the 1099 provision) amend it.

The people have spoken. They didn't choose the Republican view. The GOP needs to get over it, and start working on jobs and the economy (but instead the first thing they do is change the definition of rape to the detriment of women!?)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Why do you ask?



That's a view - but a minority one. Especially thinking it will worsen healthcare (that made me laugh)

Some people like the post office thinking they are getting a deal and some pay extra to use FedEX for both its quickness and reliability. To somehow put a surcharge on the FedEx customers to give vouchers to Post Office customers to use FedEx makes about as much sense as Obamacare. Maybe the USPO drivers could tell FedEx how to work safer and be more efficient but I doubt it. LMAO

If Dems are so keen and sure of how their plan is going to work leave those who want nothing to do with it to opt out including their wallets and you show them!.

Simple RIOT, you and other supporters show us how somehow Obamacare will work. Let's try it for say 20 years.

[Riot]

If Dems are so keen and sure of how their plan is going to work leave those who want nothing to do with it to opt out including their wallets and you show them!.

What do you mean, "opt out"? Of what? There is nothing in the law that makes you pay anything, or purchase anything. You have insurance now? Good for you! That won't change. There's nothing for you to "opt out" of. You want nothing to do with it? Guess what, you're there right now!

Simple RIOT, you and other supporters show us how somehow Obamacare will work. Let's try it for say 20 years.

I think the first thing about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is that people have a responsibility to learn what's in it, and what is not.

Edit: Oh, wait, I did think of two things you can choose to opt out of, Dell: you can call your insurance company, and tell them that you opt out of the "Obamacare" mandate (2014) that they cannot put a lifetime cap on your payouts (you choose to have the insurance company limit your lifetime payouts); and you want to opt out of their ability to rescind your policy at their will (you choose to let them do that).

[Princess Doreen]

Those Democrat senators are more afraid of Harry Reid than they are of their constituents.

Onward and upward to the Supreme Court.

[Nascar1966]

Once again the Democrats are enjoying having the majority. Thier day will come when they are voted out of office. It is a shame Reid got re-elected but look at what he was running against.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Those Democrat senators are more afraid of Harry Reid than they are of their constituents.

Onward and upward to the Supreme Court.

If I had to look at him I would also be scared.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Healthcare repeal vote fails in Senate.

Okay, Republicans - you had your little time-wasting, dog and pony theatre indulgence. Time to leave 2010 behind, and step into 2011. Don't even utter the word "health care" until after the Supremes weigh in, or unless you have any amendments to make the law better.

Now is the time to step up if you have anything to offer us regarding jobs and the economy. Remember, the reason you were elected?

All you've done so far is to introduce HR 3, a bill trying to change abortion rights, and lessen the definition of rape as an insult to all women.

It's nice you revert to fighting culture wars (it is what you know best) but you said you'd fix the economy and create jobs. Please, go ahead!

What do you think will happen to Obamacare if hopefully a Republican is voted for Pres in 2012? Your trying to tell us that Obama is doing a good job creating jobs and fixing the economy? Are you trying to make me laugh?

[joeydb]

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The Democrats passed this law last year along party lines. Not one Republican voted for it.

Many Democrats who voted for it got creamed at the polls. Fortunately for them, there weren't that many Democrats up for re-election in the Senate due to the Class I, II, and III system that splits up the 6 year terms to 1/3 up for vote every 2 years.

2012 is a different story. And now, when given the opportunity to undo this horrible law, the Democrats again were the only party opposing appeal. They had to do it, because if not, the repeal motion goes to the president's desk, where he can't just "vote present". He'd need to act, and by denying repeal he will once again affirm "Hey, 70% of the citizens hate this law, but tough sh*t... we're maintaining government control of your healthcare". Not a good thing for him.

The Senate Democrats transparently allowed many of their endangered members to symbolically vote for the appeal, since they were sure they'd defeat it. But again, the party reaffirmed their dedication to taking over the lives of American citizens while exempting themselves and the unions through waivers. It's a long time from now, but 2012 will be another red tidal wave if they don't smarten up, and fast.

Even though the outright repeal has stalled, the House can still de-fund the bill totally, while the court action continues on the unconstitutional law, so that the Senate Democrats may well find that they took a stand in this case for nothing. Think Custer at Little Big Horn...

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The Democrats passed this law last year along party lines. Not one Republican voted for it.

Many Democrats who voted for it got creamed at the polls. Fortunately for them, there weren't that many Democrats up for re-election in the Senate due to the Class I, II, and III system that splits up the 6 year terms to 1/3 up for vote every 2 years.

2012 is a different story. And now, when given the opportunity to undo this horrible law, the Democrats again were the only party opposing appeal. They had to do it, because if not, the repeal motion goes to the president's desk, where he can't just "vote present". He'd need to act, and by denying repeal he will once again affirm "Hey, 70% of the citizens hate this law, but tough sh*t... we're maintaining government control of your healthcare". Not a good thing for him.

The Senate Democrats transparently allowed many of their endangered members to symbolically vote for the appeal, since they were sure they'd defeat it. But again, the party reaffirmed their dedication to taking over the lives of American citizens while exempting themselves and the unions through waivers. It's a long time from now, but 2012 will be another red tidal wave if they don't smarten up, and fast.

Even though the outright repeal has stalled, the House can still de-fund the bill totally, while the court action continues on the unconstitutional law, so that the Senate Democrats may well find that they took a stand in this case for nothing. Think Custer at Little Big Horn...

The Democrats up for re-election in 2012 are depending on short term memory of the American voters.

We'll see.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

The Democrats up for re-election in 2012 are depending on short term memory of the American voters.

We'll see.

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you mean, "opt out"? Of what?

1)Having the government participate in anything to do with my healthcare whether it be administration or treatment democratic controlled or republican.

2)Financing the so-called vouchers, you seem to think will be made out of thin air. This is socialized medicine no matter how it's cooked and I hate the thought of even trying the dish.

[Riot]

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The point is that the "repeal process" is a huge waste of time and is only a political sideshow for the GOP base. Even the GOP admits publicly they only took the vote as they promised their base.

Two federal judges have already ruled it was constitutional. Fourteen federal judges said there wasn't even enough question to look at the issue.

The two noted conservative judges who ruled negatively didn't even issue a stay on implementation as there was no basis.

Ronald Reagan's Solicitor General, yesterday at constitutionality hearings,
even agreed it was unquestionably constitutional under the commerce clause.

The supreme court will get it, the sooner the better, it will be addressed within the commerce clause, and the likely and logical result will come down.

Joey, the "defunding" is just another public political PR ploy. The only "defunding" possible is for some minor administrative functions.

The essential money for the part that needs it (Medicaid) already exists within the budget, isn't touchable, and will not affect implementation (as the bill is deficit neuteral, it comes from monies already in use)

This is the law of the land. The GOP in the Congress need to get to work on creating jobs and working on the economy. Unfortunately, all they know about "making jobs" is "tax cut". That's probably why they are not working on lowering unemployment, they have nothing to offer in the way of solutions.

Thus they are going with what they know, social issues: they instead are focusing on abortion and rape. In this time of high unemployment, rampant joblessness, a committee that just came out with scathing indictments of Wall Street, the Congressional Republicans are ignoring all that, and their first bill is about abortion and rape. Ridiculous. Good luck getting re-elected with that in 2012, Republicans.

[Riot]

1)Having the government participate in anything to do with my healthcare whether it be administration or treatment democratic controlled or republican.

There is nothing in the bill that involves the government in your healthcare, Dell. "The government" is not going to adminster your healthcare, nor determine any treatments. You, your doctor and your private insurance company do that now, and will continue to do that.

Financing the so-called vouchers, you seem to think will be made out of thin air. This is socialized medicine no matter how it's cooked and I hate the thought of even trying the dish.

You really need to familiarize yourself, just a little, with what was in this bill when it passed.

No, I know how it is funded. You clearly do not. It is financed within the parameters of the bill. The bill had to be deficit neutral, and it was when passed into law. Monies were taken that are already in use. You have no additional tax or financial obligation whatsoever.

If you want to talk about socialized medicine, you have to talk about Medicare and Medicaid, and the decades we've had of it.

There isn't anything "socialized" about some really rather minor insurance company reforms.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

If the economy stays exactly the same I think the Dems will still win in a landslide, the way the Republicans and "Tea Party" candidates are starting out in the Congress. People are already getting really mad at them for blockage and inaction on the jobs and economy front, they are starting to get it from both the left and the right.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thus they are going with what they know, social issues: they instead are focusing on abortion and rape. In this time of high unemployment, rampant joblessness, a committee that just came out with scathing indictments of Wall Street, the Congressional Republicans are ignoring all that, and their first bill is about abortion and rape. Ridiculous. Good luck getting re-elected with that in 2012, Republicans.

You ask and you shall receive. Bravo GOP!


Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives will seek $32 billion in spending cuts from current levels this year as part of an effort to reduce a forecasted $1.5 trillion deficit.

Aides to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan outlined the savings to reporters Thursday. These spending cuts would become part of a bill to fund a wide range of federal government programs through the current fiscal year that ends Sept. 30.

RIOT since you were so excited about the Obama freeze surely you must be ecstatic at a genuine cut? BTW Not holding my breath.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You ask and you shall receive. Bravo GOP!

Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives will seek $32 billion in spending cuts from current levels this year as part of an effort to reduce a forecasted $1.5 trillion deficit.

Aides to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan outlined the savings to reporters Thursday. These spending cuts would become part of a bill to fund a wide range of federal government programs through the current fiscal year that ends Sept. 30.

RIOT since you were so excited about the Obama freeze surely you must be ecstatic at a genuine cut? BTW Not holding my breath.

Yes, Dell, during the campaign the Republicans promised $100 billion a year in tax cuts. They said they would bring a cut to the House floor every week (oh, yeah, except they won't touch defense)

Then when Boehner and Ryan were asked about it on election day, they realized that the budget year was already half over, and they couldn't keep that promise (although they were the ones making the budgets, so many found it surprising they forgot about the budget year when making the campaign promise)

So then Boehner, Cantor and Ryan said $50 billion (which made the Tea Party really mad).

Now they say they can maybe only find $32 billion, that they will niggle and dime out of current funding for the active budget year - which means it's essentially unused leftover monies from this budget year that wouldn't get spent anyways.

But yay, Republicans! We keep our fingers crossed

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If the economy stays exactly the same I think the Dems will still win in a landslide, the way the Republicans and "Tea Party" candidates are starting out in the Congress. People are already getting really mad at them for blockage and inaction on the jobs and economy front, they are starting to get it from both the left and the right.

OMG Forget blinks on, you got out of the gate with the hood still on! Unless your definition of 'people' are the most left minded democrats.

Unemployment extensions are not jobs. Shutting down the gulf is not jobs. Jamming through health care regulations overburdening small businesses while giving waivers to constituents stinks as does the recent exemption of GE from global warming rules. Yea republicans and tea partiers are turning towards Obama only it's their backsides.

BTW That post was 'Carter crazy' just hope with his great understanding he finds the right words to console his Egyptian friend. LOL