Michigan Emergency Dictator bill

Riot · #1 03-14-2011, 08:50 PM

This is truly scary, and an absolute infringement upon our freedoms as voters, as citizens, to control our own towns.

If Obama did this, heads would literally be spinning off, and the cries of "fascist government takeover" wouldn't cease.

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Emergency managers bill sweeps toward final approval
Union rights advocates call for mass protest
Michigan Messenger

Though Gov. Rick Snyder says he is not interested in hurting unions, yesterday’s Senate approval of a package that gives Emergency Managers complete power over financially troubled towns and school districts means he will soon be asked to sign off on measures that are expected to eliminate union jobs across the state.

In a party line vote, and despite impassioned speeches of protest by the body’s Democratic minority, the Michigan Senate approved legislation that threatens to take over and even dissolve local governments that refuse to balance their budgets by breaking labor contracts.
　
According to the law, which has already been approved in the House, the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.

Under the law whole cities or school districts could be eliminated without any public participation or oversight, and amendments designed to provide minimal safeguards and public involvement were voted down.

More at http://michiganmessenger.com/47203/e...final-approval

timmgirvan · #2 03-14-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

This is truly scary, and an absolute infringement upon our freedoms as voters, as citizens, to control our own towns.

If Obama did this, heads would literally be spinning off, and the cries of "fascist government takeover" wouldn't cease.

Let's see...the Senate passed it..the House passed it...sometimes people get what they want whether they want to or not!

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 03-14-2011, 10:04 PM

Riot, if the state voted Republican, then, what do you expect to have happen? Unless people get an ass kickin', they won't understand why it's a poor choice to vote for an R. The Middle Class is confused who to vote for. I don't think they will be confused again. Let them learn their lesson. Don't try to avoid that. They need a good ass kickin'.

Riot · #4 03-14-2011, 10:05 PM

We can't possibly be this dumb, as a country. How can anybody in Michigan be standing for this? (it started under the Dem Governor).

Where a Governor, without your say, can come into your town, fire your Village board, shut down your schools (that your tax dollars bought and paid for), fire the teachers, and sell off the buildings? And your town has nothing to say about it?

Hello? America? Do you care what happens to you?

SCUDSBROTHER · #5 03-14-2011, 11:14 PM

Well, this is what happens when people think the 2 parties are about the same.
They were too lazy to try to understand the basic ideology involved. They gave people from a single political party all the power. To now be surprised that these people are doing whatever ideological stuff they want to do? Do you know how ignorant that is? This is how ignorant a large part of the electorate is. Uh, yea, when Republicans have all the power, they will try to destroy unions. Gee, duh muthafkr! They interviewed a Madison Fireman today. He voted for Walker, and he says he feels duped. To me, that's shockingly ignorant. I think this whole situation is a lesson in civics that many Americans badly need. This is 100% about ignorant people voting against their own best interests. Eat your dinner, and shut the fk up. Know the ideology of the people involved.

timmgirvan · #6 03-15-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, this is what happens when people think the 2 parties are about the same.
They were too lazy to try to understand the basic ideology involved. They gave people from a single political party all the power. To now be surprised that these people are doing whatever ideological stuff they want to do? Do you know how ignorant that is? This is how ignorant a large part of the electorate is. Uh, yea, when Republicans have all the power, they will try to destroy unions. Gee, duh muthafkr! They interviewed a Madison Fireman today. He voted for Walker, and he says he feels duped. To me, that's shockingly ignorant. I think this whole situation is a lesson in civics that many Americans badly need. This is 100% about ignorant people voting against their own best interests. Eat your dinner, and shut the fk up. Know the ideology of the people involved.

They voted for Obama too, and most of them feel duped also!

Riot · #7 03-15-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

They voted for Obama too, and most of them feel duped also!

Not according to his popularity ratings (sky high), and job approval. Compare those to Reagan, Carter, Bush I & II at the same points in their Presidency. He's had more thrown at him than any other President, with a completely obstructionist opposition party. He's doing just fine. You don't have to like him, or his politics, but by any objective measure he's accomplishing the majority of exactly what he said he would. Duped? Out of what?

dellinger63 · #8 03-15-2011, 08:45 AM

Again this has nothing to do with private unions.

If the City of Detroit were a business it would be shut down yesterday. Throwing money instead of logic at everything government, from education to lavish buildings has caught up to many and it's not a coincidence it's hitting heavily unionized, over-staffed states/cities first. Cities that have acted responsibly in the past should not be penalized (taxed) for those who didn't. Big government doesn't work and NEVER will. Obama and politicians in general need to stop acting like a spoiled wives with limitless credit!

geeker2 · #9 03-15-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Not according to his popularity ratings (sky high), and job approval. Compare those to Reagan, Carter, Bush I & II at the same points in their Presidency. He's had more thrown at him than any other President, with a completely obstructionist opposition party. He's doing just fine. You don't have to like him, or his politics, but by any objective measure he's accomplishing the majority of exactly what he said he would. Duped? Out of what?

Hummm what you said doesn't quite agree with gallup....does huffington have a poll?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Pr...al-Center.aspx

But maybe the people can like him yet admit he is doing a sh^tty job as president.

As a leader - he is leaderless

Riot · #10 03-15-2011, 04:36 PM

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Hummm what you said doesn't quite agree with gallup....

Looks pretty damn good to me! Especially compared to the others. What are you talking about?

Riot · #11 03-15-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again this has nothing to do with private unions.

If the City of Detroit were a business it would be shut down yesterday. Throwing money instead of logic at everything government, from education to lavish buildings has caught up to many and it's not a coincidence it's hitting heavily unionized, over-staffed states/cities first. Cities that have acted responsibly in the past should not be penalized (taxed) for those who didn't. Big government doesn't work and NEVER will. Obama and politicians in general need to stop acting like a spoiled wives with limitless credit!

So do you agree, or disagree, that a governor should have the sole right to eliminate a town, shut down a school district, fire workers, etc? And remember that there are laws governing the formation and incorporation of "towns", "villages", "cities", etc.

You just said, "big government doesn't work" - what is bigger than a dictatorship? What is more authoritarian than one "elected" official taking over a state? What is bigger than a governor being able to literally take over a town, fire elected officials, fire hired officials, and interfer in the way a town is run? Like Walker just did in Wisconsin?

What would you think if this law read like this:

"According to the law, Obama will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services. Under the law whole cities or school districts could be eliminated without any public participation or oversight."

I cannot believe that citizens are not literally taking up arms against this!

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 03-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

They voted for Obama too, and most of them feel duped also!

I think Progressives should feel a bit duped by him. National Healthcare was an important part of his candidacy. If people voted for him, and didn't want national healthcare, then, they were ignorant. Those people who expected him to honor his promise to allow the 2001 tax cuts for the rich to expire? They got duped. Those that expected him to honor his promise to recognize the Armenian Genocide? They got duped. He said "You need to make sure your child can speak Spanish." So, you knew going in that he'd be weak on curbing illegal immigration. I guess you could say that the stimulus is a reason one might feel duped, but it's hardly unique for a Democratic President to use Government resources to help people during a depression/recession. I think one could feel duped that he didn't go after Wallstreet thieves. Again, this is more of a progressive's disappointment.

Riot · #13 03-15-2011, 04:55 PM

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Again, this is more of a progressive's disappointment.

Exactly. When looking at the 60% in the middle, most are rather happy.

geeker2 · #14 03-15-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Looks pretty damn good to me! Especially compared to the others. What are you talking about?

If Obama's 47% verses the Bush's 58% and 86% then I guess you are right it looks pretty damn good

Riot · #15 03-15-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

If Obama's 47% verses the Bush's 58% and 86% then I guess you are right it looks pretty damn good

Oh, I see - you are just picking and choosing any rating you want to use, any day of their presidency.

Yeah, that's a good comparison.

Rather than changing the subject to how much you dislike Obama, how about talking about the subject - what do you think about the Michigan bill? I would think you'd be pretty incensed about that type of government takeover over private citizens? The removal of voting rights? A literal dictatorship?

geeker2 · #16 03-15-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, I see - you are just picking and choosing any rating you want to use, any day of their presidency.

Yeah, that's a good comparison.

Rather than changing the subject to how much you dislike Obama, how about talking about the subject - what do you think about the Michigan bill? I would think you'd be pretty incensed about that type of government takeover over private citizens? The removal of voting rights? A literal dictatorship?

Another gotcha moment for Riot ......