Gene Simmons for President

[joeydb]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...d_is_like.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...d_is_like.html

I love Gene Simmons and Kiss.

But here we have a wealthy rock star, who, by his great international lifetime fame, has never been able to live a "normal" life, telling a racially-mixed kid who grew up poor under a Kansas-born single mom, who has lived in Hawaii and Indonesia, raised by his white, rural, typical American grandma and grandpa (armed services war vet), who worked his way up through high school into college, into Harvard, graduated magna cum laude and president of law review, who married a local girl and had kids, lives with his mother-in-law, worked on a local community level and state level, got elected to Washington, then became President of the United States - we have this international rock star telling America's Most Typical Rags To Riches Success Story he "has no effing idea what the world is like" because he "doesn't have to live there" ???

Seriously?

BAWAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love Gene Simmons and Kiss.

But here we have a wealthy rock star, who, by his great international lifetime fame, has never been able to live a "normal" life, telling a racially-mixed kid who grew up poor under a Kansas-born single mom, who has lived in Hawaii and Indonesia, raised by his white, rural, typical American grandma and grandpa (armed services war vet), who worked his way up through high school into college, into Harvard, graduated magna cum laude and president of law review, who married a local girl and had kids, lives with his mother-in-law, worked on a local community level and state level, got elected to Washington, then became President of the United States - we have this international rock star telling America's Most Typical Rags To Riches Success Story he "has no effing idea what the world is like" because he "doesn't have to live there" ???

Seriously?

BAWAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

Since you're such a huge Kiss and Gene Simmons fan I'm sure you're aware he had a similar upbringing to Obama except instead of living off a government job he actually got up on stage before a judge and jury and practiced his craft. Although must admit Shannon and Obama are twins when it comes to spending money without thought and throwing a baseball.

One difference is Simmons works for and supports our military because he wants to not because he's their boss and gets a check. Simmons is not Presidential material IMO but light years ahead of what we have now. Only person worse now would be Jimmy Carter. But then again they're the same foreign policy wise. Both 'get it' which, I guess means being pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGil7PR59sc

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Since you're such a huge Kiss and Gene Simmons fan I'm sure you're aware he had a similar upbringing to Obama except instead of living off a government job he actually got up on stage before a judge and jury and practiced his craft. Although must admit Shannon and Obama are twins when it comes to spending money without thought and throwing a baseball.

One difference is Simmons works for and supports our military because he wants to not because he's their boss and gets a check. Simmons is not Presidential material IMO but light years ahead of what we have now. Only person worse now would be Jimmy Carter. But then again they're the same foreign policy wise. Both 'get it' which, I guess means being pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGil7PR59sc

born overseas and changed their names? i thought you'd finally given up on the whole obama as a foreigner thing.

chaim witz is to rock what donald trump is to politics. he's let undeserved success convince him he's actually talented not lucky.

kiss sucks and the fact anyone still knows their name (much less describes themselves as a fan) is proof that you can't go broke underestimating mass taste.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

born overseas and changed their names? i thought you'd finally given up on the whole obama as a foreigner thing.
.

Barry Soetoro

Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference. That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing. He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama clearly is.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Barry Soetoro

Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference. That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing. He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama cleary is.

where'd you get that idea? could you post the (complete) quote where he said that?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where'd you get that idea? could you post the (complete) quote where he said that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...tinian-borders

reading Obama quotes gives me motion sickness.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...tinian-borders

reading Obama quotes gives me motion sickness.

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Barry Soetoro
Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference.

When did Obama come to the US, Dell? Do you know how old he was? Do, tell us.

That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing.

And people Obama never even met briefly until he was an adult influenced Obama how? People he doesn't know, doesn't live with, doesn't live near, doesn't see regularly? You hold people in contempt for things they cannot or do not control, things people have nothing to do with? That's ridiculous.

He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

The above has nothing to do with ... anything.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama clearly is.

Obama and every other President, Dell, have started negotiations from that point. Your intense decades-long study of Israel and the middle east surely has taught you our history. Obama also said that there should be land swaps. So at least you should be honest about "what Obama said".

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

There you go the complete paragraph unedited and said by him. I highlighted the part that is sending me to the toilet to vomit.



So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. ]We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.



and hopefully when he says 'we' he's not including me or Americans like me. He should have said President Carter, Riot and I, instead of we.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144336

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Since you're such a huge Kiss and Gene Simmons fan I'm sure you're aware he had a similar upbringing to Obama except instead of living off a government job

Only you would classify getting elected to public office "living off a goverment job".

What a ridiculous statement.

Sorry, Dell. I just have no respect left for your "political" views. They seem to be based upon falsehoods, sound bites, and unchanging, overt dislike.

It's fun to debate differences in political views, but sad to watch nonsensical, untrue nonsense regurgitated without question.

he actually got up on stage before a judge and jury and practiced his craft.

You mean, like getting up in front of people, selling your value, exposing yourself and your family to slander and lies, and having people vote on your success or failure by getting elected to public office?

One difference is Simmons works for and supports our military because he wants to not because he's their boss and gets a check.

Yeah, there's zero evidence Obama disrepects the military, none whatsoever, and much that he admires it.

But don't let that stop you from blatently characterizing Obama without a shred of evidence or truth on your side (one of the first things he did when he was President, day one, was to allow the respect of acknowledging our military killed in action by reversing the Bush "can't take photos" crap that pretended it didn't occur)

Simmons is not Presidential material IMO but light years ahead of what we have now.

You really think Gene Simmons would be a better President that our current President? And that Obama is anti-Israel and pro-Palestine?

Our country is doomed by ignorance. Instead of making up ridiculously false crap about the President, Dell, to justify your dislike, I'd respect you alot more if you just said you hated him and always will.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

Impossible. Obama never said it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

kiss sucks and the fact anyone still knows their name (much less describes themselves as a fan) is proof that you can't go broke underestimating mass taste.

Hey! I wanna rock and roll all night, and party every day!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

There you go the complete paragraph unedited and said by him. I highlighted the part that is sending me to the toilet to vomit.



So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. ]We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.



and hopefully when he says 'we' he's not including me or Americans like me. He should have said President Carter, Riot and I, instead of we.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144336

what part of the bolded red part makes you think he was asking for israel to accept pre-1967 borders?

btw: the palestinian leadership is still reeling over his use of "jewish state" to describe the future israel. that was code for the u.s. rejecting any claim for a "right of return" being part of the negotiations.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

1)When did Obama come to the US, Dell? Do you know how old he was? Do, tell us.



2) And people Obama never even met until he was an adult influenced Obama how?



3) The above has nothing to do with ... anything.



4)Obama and every other President, Dell. Obama also strongly said that there should be land swaps. So at least you should be honest about "what Obama said".

1) When his mom got dumped and with no man there to support her moved back to her parents home that happened to be in the US.

2) Blood

3) Paying for the country's tab v. taking from it. Opposites and my point.

4) Since I found the Obama quote specfically in regards to the '67 border can you find the same for say Reagan? Surely he is included in every President.

[Riot]

We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.

Hey, rocket scientist - the above doesn't say Obama thinks Israel should have the 1967 borders.

Here, I highlighted the words you apparently don't understand, or want to deliberately ignore, in favor of "vomiting" over something the President didn't say.

[hi_im_god]

i know this will be tl,dr but if you're actually interested in the context and not the snippets you're being spoon fed to motivate you to vote with the rest of the base here's the portion of the speech devoted to the israeli-palestinian conflict:

Let me conclude by talking about another cornerstone of our approach to the region, and that relates to the pursuit of peace.

For decades, the conflict between Israelis and Arabs has cast a shadow over the region. For Israelis, it has meant living with the fear that their children could be blown up on a bus or by rockets fired at their homes, as well as the pain of knowing that other children in the region are taught to hate them. For Palestinians, it has meant suffering the humiliation of occupation, and never living in a nation of their own. Moreover, this conflict has come with a larger cost to the Middle East, as it impedes partnerships that could bring greater security and prosperity and empowerment to ordinary people.

For over two years, my administration has worked with the parties and the international community to end this conflict, building on decades of work by previous administrations. Yet expectations have gone unmet. Israeli settlement activity continues. Palestinians have walked away from talks. The world looks at a conflict that has grinded on and on and on, and sees nothing but stalemate. Indeed, there are those who argue that with all the change and uncertainty in the region, it is simply not possible to move forward now.

I disagree. At a time when the people of the Middle East and North Africa are casting off the burdens of the past, the drive for a lasting peace that ends the conflict and resolves all claims is more urgent than ever. That’s certainly true for the two parties involved.

For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won’t create an independent state. Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.

As for Israel, our friendship is rooted deeply in a shared history and shared values. Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable. And we will stand against attempts to single it out for criticism in international forums. But precisely because of our friendship, it’s important that we tell the truth: The status quo is unsustainable, and Israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace.

The fact is, a growing number of Palestinians live west of the Jordan River. Technology will make it harder for Israel to defend itself. A region undergoing profound change will lead to populism in which millions of people -– not just one or two leaders -- must believe peace is possible. The international community is tired of an endless process that never produces an outcome. The dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation.

Now, ultimately, it is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to take action. No peace can be imposed upon them -- not by the United States; not by anybody else. But endless delay won’t make the problem go away. What America and the international community can do is to state frankly what everyone knows -- a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people, each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace.

So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their full potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself -– by itself -– against any threat. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism, to stop the infiltration of weapons, and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. And the duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated.

These principles provide a foundation for negotiations. Palestinians should know the territorial outlines of their state; Israelis should know that their basic security concerns will be met. I’m aware that these steps alone will not resolve the conflict, because two wrenching and emotional issues will remain: the future of Jerusalem, and the fate of Palestinian refugees. But moving forward now on the basis of territory and security provides a foundation to resolve those two issues in a way that is just and fair, and that respects the rights and aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians.

Now, let me say this: Recognizing that negotiations need to begin with the issues of territory and security does not mean that it will be easy to come back to the table. In particular, the recent announcement of an agreement between Fatah and Hamas raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel: How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist? And in the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question. Meanwhile, the United States, our Quartet partners, and the Arab states will need to continue every effort to get beyond the current impasse.

I recognize how hard this will be. Suspicion and hostility has been passed on for generations, and at times it has hardened. But I’m convinced that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past. We see that spirit in the Israeli father whose son was killed by Hamas, who helped start an organization that brought together Israelis and Palestinians who had lost loved ones. That father said, “I gradually realized that the only hope for progress was to recognize the face of the conflict.” We see it in the actions of a Palestinian who lost three daughters to Israeli shells in Gaza. “I have the right to feel angry,” he said. “So many people were expecting me to hate. My answer to them is I shall not hate. Let us hope,” he said, “for tomorrow.”

That is the choice that must be made -– not simply in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but across the entire region -– a choice between hate and hope; between the shackles of the past and the promise of the future. It’s a choice that must be made by leaders and by the people, and it’s a choice that will define the future of a region that served as the cradle of civilization and a crucible of strife.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

1) When his mom got dumped and with no man there to support her moved back to her parents home that happened to be in the US.

In other words, you don't know what years Obama was "raised overseas".

You might want to look that up before you post your original contention (not very well supported), then try to justify it with the silly false statement you made, above.

2) Blood

Ah, "blood". So you are personally responsible and guilty for anything anybody related to you does, too? Let's be sure of what you are contenting. Even if you have nothing to do with them? That's how it works? So how far does that extent? To second cousins? Relatives you've never met, never seen, never talked to?

Hate to point out what that remarkably silly position you hold is called, technically.

3) Paying for the country's tab v. taking from it. Opposites and my point.

Obama plays plenty for "this country's tab", as a taxpayer. His tax returns are public, and Simmon's isn't.

As far as "taking from it", yeah, we compensate the President of the United States that we elect $400,000 a year. Being President isn't exactly a walk in the park - of course, compared to being an aging rock star (much more difficult, surely!) Are you against that? Paying someone who works for us?

4) Since I found the Obama quote specfically in regards to the '67 border can you find the same for say Reagan? Surely he is included in every President

Nobody is talking about Reagan. We are talking about your mischaracterization and misstatement of Obama's publicly stated position on Israel and Palistine. Hey, what do you think about Obama strongly fighting any UN recognition of Palistine as a state? Yeah, that proves Obama is pretty against Israel and supportive of Palistine, huh?

Do you see where your statement about the President is untrue and false yet? Will you ever? Somehow I doubt it. We'll be hearing this falsehood about Obama from you for the next 6 years ....

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hey! I wanna rock and roll all night, and party every day!

i respect your right to bad taste.

elvis costello > kiss

unless you're dell in which case it's elvis costello <<<<<<< kiss.

because why use ">" when "<<<<<<<<" clearly means the same thing?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, there's zero evidence Obama disrepects the military, none whatsoever, and much that he admires it.).

when his 'esteemed colleague, friend and fellow senator from Illinois' as he usually calls him was on the senate floor calling 'our' (U.S. troops) gestapo, Obama's silence spoke volumes of his feelings for the military.