WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Riot]

The Republican dream of a legal union-busting bill hasn't died, they added multiple union-busting provisions - adding in police and fire - into a sudden budget amendment last night about midnight in committee. No notice or written copy of the amendment was given to committee members. All Democrats present voted no to adding the amendment. All Republicans - including two facing recall elections in July for already voting in favor of union-busting - voted yes.

The union-busting bill already passed was overturned by a judge, as it was passed illegally without following proper Wisconsin open meeting law. The Republicans simply have to pass the bill again to make it legal. It is suspected they haven't brought it to the floor as a stand-alone as they no longer have the votes to pass it. The amendment will be part of the budget bill to be voted upon on the floor. The addition of fire and police were new, not included in the previous bill. The police and fire unions supported labor in fighting the previously-overturned union-busting bill.

Six Republican recalls have been approved by the Government Accountability Board and the elections are pending, July 12. Republicans were only able to garner enough signatures to recall three of the six Democrats they said they would recall, and none of the three have been approved by the GAB yet, as the signatures and methods of gathering have been questioned.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/123081583.html

[dellinger63]

This is one of those 'deal with it' issues. Republicans were voted in because the mess the government is in. The People of Wisconsin elected them to fix it and that is what is happening. Now I only 'hope' other States will follow and 'change' ultimately ending with 'fixing' Federal employees. Wisconsin is providing the prototype that can be easily duplicated.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This is one of those 'deal with it' issues. Republicans were voted in because the mess the government is in. The People of Wisconsin elected them to fix it and that is what is happening. Now I only 'hope' other States will follow and 'change' ultimately ending with 'fixing' Federal employees. Wisconsin is providing the prototype that can be easily duplicated.

I hope the Republicans "deal with it" if the buyer's remorse of the People of Wisconsin is real, and they are recalled. Passing a union-busting bill that increases the state's debt isn't what the GOP campaigned upon, nor what the people voted for.

Wisconsin's Republican "prototype" is being duplicated in other states as we speak: Michigan is working on recalling the union-busting pols there, as is Florida.

Edit:

Wisconsin Democratic Party announces today it will go forward with trying to recall of Gov. Scott Walker as soon as he becomes eligible http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c7HH_blog.html

“We will not stand down — and next year, we will recall Scott Walker from office,” Tate will tell the crowd, according to the excerpts. “We will begin to repar the damage done to this state and we will begin a new with a Democratic Governor who will fight for our children, who will fight for our families, our teachers and our firefighters. We will fight for the people — not the powerful.”

As for the Wisconsin Republican side, yesterday, it was revealed that Wisconsin GOP were recorded on a secret audiotape, talking about creating a fake Democratic candidate to run in the recall primary against Democrat Schilling in an effort to delay the recall election of Republican Sen. Dan Kapanke. http://lacrossetribune.com/news/loca...cc4c002e0.html

And here is an audiotape of Rep. Dan Kapanke himself, last week, talking about how he hopes the union people "sleep in" on election day so he will not lose http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noq...122990663.html

State Sen. Dan Kapanke was hoping public employees would sleep through his possible recall election.

Instead, the La Crosse Republican has given them a very loud wake-up call.

In a recorded talk to local Republicans last week, the second-term legislator said he was worried that there are so many state and local workers in his Senate district.

"We've got tons of government workers in my district - tons," Kapanke said May 25 at the Cedar Creek Golf Club in Onalaska. "From La Crosse to Prairie du Chien and to Viroqua and to Ontario and to Hillsboro, you can go on and on and on. We have to overcome that. We've got to hope that they, kind of, are sleeping on July 12th - or whenever the (election) date is."

During the candid chat, Kapanke said he was one of three Republicans in serious jeopardy of losing in a recall election.

The other two, he said, are Sen. Alberta Darling of River Hills and Sen. Randy Hopper of Fond du Lac.

"We could lose me. We could lose Randy Hopper in the 18th or Alberta Darling over in - wherever she is - the 8th, I believe," Kapanke said.

Poor Republicans. This is one of those "deal with it" issues, I guess.

[Riot]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123132008.html

This is very bad news for the Republicans, as far as getting turnout to the polls this day.

Yesterday a Wisconsin judge granted the Government Accountability Board extra time to review the challenges to the recall petitions filed against three Democratic state Senators.

This means that all six recall of the elections against Republican state Senators are now set in stone for July 12, and that no recall elections against Democratic Senators will take place on that day.

The recall elections against Democrats, if they happen at all, will take place on July 19 or later.

Governor Scott Walker recall:

While Walker is eligible for recall in January, yesterday Wisconsin Democratic Chair Mike Tate told me that the party "would prefer the recall election against Scott Walker to coincide with the 2012 Presidential election." This would likely mean the recall effort would start in late spring of 2012.

The idea is to have the biggest turnout, and thus most favorable electorate possible, in order to make sure that Scott Walker gets the boot.

At the same time, Tate also noted that the process was not entirely in the hands of the state party. It's possible that grassroots and community activists will initiate a recall campaign against Scott Walker as soon as it's legally allowed in January.

Either way, the party is entirely behind recalling Scott Walker, and has left itself no wiggle room on this matter. On Friday night at the statewide party "recall" convention, numerous speakers vowed to not only take back the state Senate in 2011, but also to recall Scott Walker in 2012. The party is also now officially supporting the effort by United Wisconsin PAC to get people to pledge to support recalling Scott Walker. As I write this, nearly 200,000 people had taken the pledge.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...012?via=blog_1

Psst ... Dell? The above is definitely a "left wing" blog

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123132008.html

This is very bad news for the Republicans, as far as getting turnout to the polls this day.



Governor Scott Walker recall:



Psst ... Dell? The above is definitely a "left wing" blog

And this is game, set and match

Finally the taxpayer wins!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123859034.html

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This is one of those 'deal with it' issues. Republicans were voted in because the mess the government is in.

YOU are telling someone to stop bitching about a decision an elected official made and are suggesting that the other side should just "deal with it" because the people voted those officials into office? YOU?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And this is game, set and match

Finally the taxpayer wins!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123859034.html

Huh? Are you clueless? Simply completely uninformed about your own state? The taxpayer now pays more money. This is a coster, not a cost-saver. Even the GOP legislators say that. You'll recall it wasn't even part of a financial bill when rushed through committee?

Strange the Supremes rushed this, as the state GOP created an unprecedented Special Session to try and re-rush this through as part of the budget, with decreased chance at opposition.

But, when you have overtly activist and non-impartial judges, like GOP Supporter Justice David Prosser, it's not unexpected, right Dell?

The Republican petitions have finally been reviewed, they have signatures enough to try and recall only three Dems. Unfortunately, all Republicans received enough signatures for recall, and they will come first. The GOP is mounting fake Dem challengers to force this to be a primary, so August 9 is the date. The Democratic recall election is the second election series. This works against the GOP, as the elections they want to win with huge turnout are the third and fourth - so it may be hard to keep up voter interest in August (vacations, ready for school, etc) Alot of voting to be done by Wisconsin voters this summer.

From Wisconsin GAB:

July 12, 2011 Recall Elections - the Democratic attempt to recall Republican state legislators:

On June 3, 2011, the Government Accountability Board ordered recall elections for July 12, 2011 in the following State Senate Districts:

District 2 -- Senator Robert Cowles

District 8 -- Senator Alberta Darling

District 10 -- Senator Sheila Harsdorf

District 14 -- Senator Luther Olsen

District 18 -- Senator Randy Hopper

Distirct 32 -- Senator Dan Kapanke

If more than one person runs against each incumbent, the July 12 election becomes a primary, and the general recall election will be held four weeks later on August 9, 2011.

July 19, 2011 Recall Elections - the Republican attempt to recall Democratic legislators:

On June 10, 2011, the Government Accountability Board ordered recall elections for July 19, 2011 in the following State Senate Districts:

District 12 -- Senator Jim Holperin

District 22 -- Senator Robert Wirch

Distirct 30 -- Senator Dave Hansen

If more than one person runs against each incumbent, the July 19 election becomes a primary, and the general recall election will be held four weeks later on August 16, 2011.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Huh? Are you clueless? Simply completely uninformed about your own state? The taxpayer now pays more money. This is a coster, not a cost-saver. Even the GOP legislators say that. You'll recall it wasn't even part of a financial bill when rushed through committee?.

Stupid me. I should have realized the unions always had the taxpayer's back first and then the worker they represent. When the teachers go on strike year after year it's because they want lower pay and beni's to save the taxpayer a buck. And I always thought it was the other way around.

[dellinger63]

BTW according to the Governor the bill saves $30 million a year or in Obama text $300 million over 10 years. The public employee gets what amounts to a 8% cut in pay/beni's, bringing them more into line with private sector workers, the people who pay no taxes or receive government support experience no change and the taxpayer, who's been getting it in the backside all these years, gets a break. Let WI serve as the prototype for other States.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41996994...ve-bargaining/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

YOU are telling someone to stop bitching about a decision an elected official made and are suggesting that the other side should just "deal with it" because the people voted those officials into office? YOU?

That comment was directed at Riot as I was told that exact phrase when Obamacare passed. Only difference between the two now is the WI bill was upheld by the WI supreme court while I still have hope Obamacare won't be.

If Obamacare does stand up against suits challenging it, then I suppose it can be used as a precedent to maybe all U.S. citizens being required to contribute to a retirement plan using money that would have been used for SS and then phasing SS out. Require all citizens to maintain a food stockpile and thus no need for food stamps. Require everyone to have a job and no need for unemployment. Lastly require all parents to foot the bill for their own childrens' schooling and impose fines against parents whose children fail. I see how this may now work. The savings reaped from SS, welfare and education will surely offset any Obamacare subsidies. Only question is I thought Dems didn't want to intrude on one's private life? I guess healthcare and in the case of males, their foreskin doesn't count as 'private' in the mind of a DEM

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Huh? Are you clueless? Simply completely uninformed about your own state? The taxpayer now pays more money. This is a coster, not a cost-saver. Even the GOP legislators say that..

The law, which eliminates most of public employees’ collective bargaining rights and requires them to pay more for their health care and pensions

Yea sounds like a real budget breaker!!!!! Maybe we should drug test all those Dems that ran across the border to IL.

BTW Riot You've had some good days, but yesterday was your finest!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That comment was directed at Riot as I was told that exact phrase when Obamacare passed. Only difference between the two now is the WI bill was upheld by the WI supreme court while I still have hope Obamacare won't be.

If Obamacare does stand up against suits challenging it, then I suppose it can be used as a precedent to maybe all U.S. citizens being required to contribute to a retirement plan using money that would have been used for SS and then phasing SS out. Require all citizens to maintain a food stockpile and thus no need for food stamps. Require everyone to have a job and no need for unemployment. Lastly require all parents to foot the bill for their own childrens' schooling and impose fines against parents whose children fail. I see how this may now work. The savings reaped from SS, welfare and education will surely offset any Obamacare subsidies. Only question is I thought Dems didn't want to intrude on one's private life? I guess healthcare and in the case of males, their foreskin doesn't count as 'private' in the mind of a DEM

I rarely find these "slippery slope" arguments very convincing.

People say ridiculous things like: "If you allow two women to marry each other, what's next? You have to let a man marry a goat?!?!
Or
"If you legalize pot, what's next? You have to legalize heroine too?!?!?"

They are usually ridiculous arguments. There are already many "government mandates" that have been in place for years in the United States. That sure hasn't led to a law requiring all citizens to "maintain a food stockpile."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I rarely find these "slippery slope" arguments very convincing.

People say ridiculous things like: "If you allow two women to marry each other, what's next? You have to let a man marry a goat?!?!
Or
"If you legalize pot, what's next? You have to legalize heroine too?!?!?"

They are usually ridiculous arguments. There are already many "government mandates" that have been in place for years in the United States. That sure hasn't led to a law requiring all citizens to "maintain a food stockpile."

Big differnce between allowing/legalizing and requiring IMO If two women were required to marry each other or all citizens were required to smoke pot you may have a comparison.

What law/mandate requires every US citizen to purchase a private product?

If there is one it's the Obamacare lawyers' holy grail.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Big differnce between allowing/legalizing and requiring IMO If two women were required to marry each other or all citizens were required to smoke pot you may have a comparison.

What law/mandate requires every US citizen to purchase a private product?

If there is one it's the Obamacare lawyers' holy grail.

I wasn't comparing pot legalization or gay marriage to PPACA.
I was simply commenting on the validity of the "slippery slope" style argument you used in your post and using gay marriage and pot legalization as examples of why I think those arguments are often ridiculous.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea sounds like a real budget breaker!!!!! Maybe we should drug test all those Dems that ran across the border to IL.

BTW Riot You've had some good days, but yesterday was your finest!

Seriously? You think that a superficial newspaper quote, "The law, which eliminates most of public employees’ collective bargaining rights and requires them to pay more for their health care and pensions" is a valid counterpoint to the actual accounting scoring of the markedly increased cost to taxpayers over the years?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously? You think that a superficial newspaper quote, "The law, which eliminates most of public employees’ collective bargaining rights and requires them to pay more for their health care and pensions" is a valid counterpoint to the actual accounting scoring of the markedly increased cost to taxpayers over the years?

yes!

you know because taxpayers pay for the health care and pensions! Your Vet school failed you as did the schools prior to. If your p's had school vouchers and a choice perhaps your understanding would be better and you wouldn't have falled for the $1 comes back as a $1.60 economic theory. Heck this President is happy with 83 cents on the dollar, in fact he's called it a success.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I wasn't comparing pot legalization or gay marriage to PPACA.
I was simply commenting on the validity of the "slippery slope" style argument you used in your post and using gay marriage and pot legalization as examples of why I think those arguments are often ridiculous.

Obamacare aka PPACA can't be compared to anything legalized or mandated and that's why it's going to the Supreme Court and why I posted. If it passes it does set a precedent like it or not, simply because it's a first.

Like I said it could become a possitive. I can see a time in the future of unrest, where the US government may need to require every citizen to buy and own a gun to protect ourselves from Islam possibly China!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

yes!

you know because taxpayers pay for the health care and pensions! Your Vet school failed you as did the schools prior to. If your p's had school vouchers and a choice perhaps your understanding would be better and you wouldn't have falled for the $1 comes back as a $1.60 economic theory. Heck this President is happy with 83 cents on the dollar, in fact he's called it a success.

And this is related to Republican foreskins how?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I can see a time in the future of unrest, where the US government may need to require every citizen to buy and own a gun to protect ourselves from Islam possibly China!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I am seriously leaving this country as soon as I can..what an embarassment the tea baggers, Right have become