On the trail?

[tjfla]

Why do trainers do this?

The Holy Bull(400k) draws 6 however an Allowance race same day draws Take Charge Indy,Casual Trick,El Padrino


All 3 are on the trail ,why not just run them in the Holy Bull and pick up some graded earnings? I know 4th/5th place won't pay alot but it adds up if u wanna make the Derby

[Linny]

If they are numbers 21, 22 and 23 on the 1st Sat in May, then they get what they deserve.

BTW, has anyone seen ElPadrino recently? Have his pin fire marks healed? he looked like he was fired about 48hrs before the Remsen.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Why do trainers do this?

The Holy Bull(400k) draws 6 however an Allowance race same day draws Take Charge Indy,Casual Trick,El Padrino


All 3 are on the trail ,why not just run them in the Holy Bull and pick up some graded earnings? I know 4th/5th place won't pay alot but it adds up if u wanna make the Derby

I'm not a trainer nor do I play one on TV, but the three you mentioned have gone two turns in their most recent races and it sends the wrong message to turn them back to one turn. You'll see at least a couple of them next month in the G2 Fountain of Youth.

[tjfla]

O i agree with u there,just doesn't make sense.However if u are pointed to the Derby,its easy RUN EARLY GET MONEY and RELAX lol

I just get a laugh when April 28 rolls around and we have people crying that they can't get in the Derby cause of Graded Earnings and turf horses who won Poly races.

[Danzig]

well, maybe they aren't on the trail? or maybe their trainers are working their ways up, and if the horse shows more ability, he has graded stakes still to enter?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by tjfla

O i agree with u there,just doesn't make sense.However if u are pointed to the Derby,its easy RUN EARLY GET MONEY and RELAX lol

I just get a laugh when April 28 rolls around and we have people crying that they can't get in the Derby cause of Graded Earnings and turf horses who won Poly races.

Peaking in January and taking it easy in the weeks leading up to the Triple Crown doesn't make sense, either.

People who cry about Blue Grass, Jim Beam, and Lexington horses getting in have a fairly valid gripe.

[tjfla]

Nah Bogey was right-all of them said they wanted to run 2 turns and not have to travel to TB. Seems all 3 of the plans are Allowance and FOY

So the FOY might look like this

Hansen
Union Rags
TCI
Casual Trick
El Padrino
Top 3 Holy
Top 3 Holy
Reveron

True it's not a good idea but seems to work. Get cash early/avoid the injury bug and run in the Derby-which is Asmussen's plan for Sabercat

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by tjfla

O i agree with u there,just doesn't make sense.However if u are pointed to the Derby,its easy RUN EARLY GET MONEY and RELAX lol

I just get a laugh when April 28 rolls around and we have people crying that they can't get in the Derby cause of Graded Earnings and turf horses who won Poly races.

If more trainers did this we would have more good 3 year olds around after April. If you are eligible for an allowance race in late January and dont earn enough to get into the Derby it simply means you dont belong. Far too many owners/trainers agree with your theory which is why most of them wind up ruining their horses. It isnt a coincidence that fillies are HoY every year now and the Spring's top 3 yo's are generally toast by the Summer. Hell Flat Out was lucky enough to break down early enough that he could be salvaged as an older horse. Pressing maiden winners into graded stake races at this time of the year rarely works out well in the end.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Nah Bogey was right-all of them said they wanted to run 2 turns and not have to travel to TB. Seems all 3 of the plans are Allowance and FOY

So the FOY might look like this

Hansen
Union Rags
TCI
Casual Trick
El Padrino
Top 3 Holy
Top 3 Holy
Reveron

True it's not a good idea but seems to work. Get cash early/avoid the injury bug and run in the Derby-which is Asmussen's plan for Sabercat

This isnt a strategy, it is a prayer.

[tjfla]

Byrne is now trying to figure out what to do with Take Charge Indy,he is in a DRF article saying I should have taken him to Tampa to get earnings HAHA

Mentions a TB Derby to Illinois Derby to KY Derby as his route

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Linny

If they are numbers 21, 22 and 23 on the 1st Sat in May, then they get what they deserve.

This is what I say every April when folks are whining about the bubble horse that looks so good. Sorry if you are a late bloomer or were injured, but the rules have been in place for long enough for everyone to know the risk of being left out because they don't have graded earnings.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Byrne is now trying to figure out what to do with Take Charge Indy,he is in a DRF article saying I should have taken him to Tampa to get earnings HAHA

Mentions a TB Derby to Illinois Derby to KY Derby as his route

I'd love to know what all of three trainers were thinking skipping the Sam F Davis... You've got a maiden (who wasn't even the m/l fav in the mdn race he was cross-entered in) with 150K in graded earnings, practically a bubble horse already to get in, and they're now going to need 2 quality starts just to get the earnings to enter.

[RolloTomasi]

Doesn't Take Charge Indy already have about $100k in graded earnings?

What's the rush? With 3 straight defeats in graded stakes as a juvenile, he still has to prove he belongs. Doubt the Sam F. Davis would have answered that question.

[tjfla]

Well according to all 3 trainers,they either wanted a 2 turn race or didn't want to ship to TB??

As for TCI ya he has alot of cash from the Juvy already,that is why I said he should have done it the new way. Run early,get cash and wait to the Derby. I think it is a joke too, that horse that peaked as a 2yr old get into the Derby but those are the rules.

They even could have ran him in the Holy Bull are easily picked up 3rd/4th place cash.

Just hope we don't here Byrne crying the week before that the horse who Won the El Camino Real,came in 3rd in the Spiral and 3rd in the Bluegrass got in HAHA

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Just hope we don't here Byrne crying the week before that the horse who Won the El Camino Real,came in 3rd in the Spiral and 3rd in the Bluegrass got in HAHA

There's a solid chance his horse will wind up in one of those races. A good portion of his graded earnings have come on synthetic surfaces already.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Well according to all 3 trainers,they either wanted a 2 turn race or didn't want to ship to TB??

As for TCI ya he has alot of cash from the Juvy already,that is why I said he should have done it the new way. Run early,get cash and wait to the Derby. I think it is a joke too, that horse that peaked as a 2yr old get into the Derby but those are the rules.

They even could have ran him in the Holy Bull are easily picked up 3rd/4th place cash.

Just hope we don't here Byrne crying the week before that the horse who Won the El Camino Real,came in 3rd in the Spiral and 3rd in the Bluegrass got in HAHA

So, you think Pat Byrne should have tried to get some more Graded Stakes in his first start and then either rest him up to the Derby or run in Allowance races for the next few months? This is nonsensical. His horse was making his first start of the year. He is well spaced for two more preps. If he doesn't get enough earnings, a second and third will easily accomplish this, then he won't be in the Derby. I highly doubt he will be whining in that case ( frankly, Pat never struck me as a whiner anyway ).

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, you think Pat Byrne should have tried to get some more Graded Stakes in his first start and then either rest him up to the Derby or run in Allowance races for the next few months? This is nonsensical. His horse was making his first start of the year. He is well spaced for two more preps. If he doesn't get enough earnings, a second and third will easily accomplish this, then he won't be in the Derby. I highly doubt he will be whining in that case ( frankly, Pat never struck me as a whiner anyway ).

Well if I was TCI trainer I would have ran him in the Sam Davis OR Holy Bull,get some earnings then either go onto the TB Derby and the Illinois or poly race.

My point is if u have a chance to get some earnings early get it!!! I know that alot of people say if he doesnt run good in March or his last prep race he doesnt deserve to go BUT I would rather put some money on TCI who runs 3rd in the Illinois Derby than one of the Turf/Poly horses like Mr.Prankster LOL. I KNOW I KNOW Animal Kingdom won last year

Just look at what Asmussen is doing with Sabercat-he got his money,now he is gonna run him 2 times before the Derby and cross his fingers nothing happens before then. I would rather take that chance nowadays then run him 3 or 4 times before the Derby

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Well if I was TCI trainer I would have ran him in the Sam Davis OR Holy Bull,get some earnings then either go onto the TB Derby and the Illinois or poly race.

My point is if u have a chance to get some earnings early get it!!! I know that alot of people say if he doesnt run good in March or his last prep race he doesnt deserve to go BUT I would rather put some money on TCI who runs 3rd in the Illinois Derby than one of the Turf/Poly horses like Mr.Prankster LOL. I KNOW I KNOW Animal Kingdom won last year

Just look at what Asmussen is doing with Sabercat-he got his money,now he is gonna run him 2 times before the Derby and cross his fingers nothing happens before then. I would rather take that chance nowadays then run him 3 or 4 times before the Derby

You'd make a great modern day trainer. Why should horses have to prove they belong in the Derby? If they have the earnings just run them...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You'd make a great modern day trainer. Why should horses have to prove they belong in the Derby? If they have the earnings just run them...

i agree. it seems horses who build up tend to do better than those who get earnings early on and then stroll into the derby. they have the money, but they don't have the 'bottom' to use an old expression.
with the advent of the bcj, it seems people are asking horses to go too far too soon. precocious horses excel, but then are caught by their peers the following spring. so, some have the earnings, but not the ability.


it's why only 3 yo earnings should count for getting in the gate in may.

[RolloTomasi]

More ignorant trainers at play tomorrow at Santa Anita.

Bob Baffert and Mike Puype are pitting their hyped 3yos the Fed Biz and Consulado against one another in a meager allowance race.