5/28 (BEL): Metropolitan, Phipps, Acorn (G1's), Sands Point (G2)

[Kasept]

7th (4:06) Sands Point S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Better Lucky Castro E 117 L
2 Modulate Alvarado J 117 Blk-On L
3 Somali Lemonade Velazquez J R 121 L
4 Dreaming of Cara Garcia Alan 117 L
5 Regalo Mia Castellano J J 117 L
6 Preach Tome Daddy Leparoux J R 117 L
7 Zultanite Dominguez R A 117 L
8 Firehouse Red Napravnik R 117 L



8th (4:40) Ogden Phipps H. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Cash for Clunkers Garcia Alan 114 L
2 Awesome Maria Velazquez J R 124 L
3 She's All In Quinonez L S 115 L
4 It's Tricky Castro E 122 L
5 Juanita Dominguez R A 119 L



9th (5:14) TVG Acorn S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Contested Castellano J J 121 L
2 Hard Mystery Castro E 121 L
3 On Fire Baby Johnson J M 121 L
4 Zo Impressive Maragh R 121 L
5 Sacristy Napravnik R 121 L
6 Aubby K Prado E S 121 L



10th (5:47) Metropolitan H. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 To Honor and Serve Lezcano J 120 L
2 Shackleford Velazquez J R 119 L
3 Caleb's Posse Maragh R 121 L
4 Saginaw Cohen D 115 L
5 Caixa Eletronica Castellano J J 117 L
6 Jackson Bend Nakatani C S 121 L

[Calzone Lord]

Grade 1 handicaps for older males and females...and they're only getting fields of five and six.

There once was a time when horses ran more frequently with less rest -- and handicaps were actual handicaps with big weight discrepancies.

However, despite the small fields, they at least still get the biggest names and good match-ups.

Just not as attractive as betting races if you could get five more runners and have the highweight at 127lbs instead of 121lbs for a race like the Met.

[cmorioles]

Just another case where marginal contenders won't run because they can run for plenty of slots swelled purses elsewhere. Slots have killed competition. It is now avoided at all costs with the exception of the Triple Crown and the Breeder's Cup.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Just another case where marginal contenders won't run because they can run for plenty of slots swelled purses elsewhere. Slots have killed competition. It is now avoided at all costs with the exception of the Triple Crown and the Breeder's Cup.

That too.

I guess that's also a contributing factor why they can no longer pack on 128lbs to the highweight and a lot of times in the past the marginal contender wins.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Just not as attractive as betting races if you could get five more runners and have the highweight at 127lbs instead of 121lbs for a race like the Met.

This is particularly problematic, as the spread in the weights has become squeezed on both ends. Trainers don't want their good horses carrying weight, and with the bottom pushed up due to concerns about jockey weight issues, even the least accomplished horses are carrying about 114.

I've have thought for a couple of years that, if we want real handicap racing, then handicap the race with the theoretical highweight at 126 (or more). If that horse runs, no adjustment would be needed. If, however, that horse passed the race, then the weights would be adjusted upward so that the actual starting highweight would carry 126.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

This is particularly problematic, as the spread in the weights has become squeezed on both ends. Trainers don't want their good horses carrying weight, and with the bottom pushed up due to concerns about jockey weight issues, even the least accomplished horses are carrying about 114.

I've have thought for a couple of years that, if we want real handicap racing, then handicap the race with the theoretical highweight at 126 (or more). If that horse runs, no adjustment would be needed. If, however, that horse passed the race, then the weights would be adjusted upward so that the actual starting highweight would carry 126.

Yeah. Look at how they handled weights in the mid 1930's compared to today.

The 1937 Santa Anita Handicap had a field of 18 -- and Seabiscuit (130lbs) got beat by a 3-year-old in March who carried just 100lbs.

In Seabiscuit's race before he met War Admiral in the match race -- he carried 126lbs and some 3yo filly carrying 102lbs broke a track record and beat him handily.

Discovery was forced to give 20 and 30 lbs to top older horses when he was tearing it up at age 4.

Even in the 70's, 80's, and sometimes the 90's the scale looks very wide compared to today. Zenyatta was routinely giving just a few pounds away to unaccomplished females in a lot of her races. The scale has become more and more squeezed at both ends for sure.

[ateamstupid]

I like the addition of the Phipps/Acorn to Met Mile day, short fields notwithstanding.

[pba1817]

Too many tracks, too many places allowing marginal horses to cherry pick purses... No reason for a marginal horse to ever take a shot at big names when they can crush inferior competition.

Met day or Meh day?

[pmayjr]

When Tizway smashed the field last year, how many did he face? That was a pretty big field right? Although this field has a lot more class to it

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

When Tizway smashed the field last year, how many did he face? That was a pretty big field right? Although this field has a lot more class to it

It was a large field, but he was also coming off a 3rd place finish at Charles Town. This year's field, being so loaded with talent, was a tough sell for fringe players.

The real embarrassment are the a-holes who are running horses in the 60k Little Silver at Mth on Sunday instead of the Sands Point, which is an extremely weak 200k Grade II. As Chuck referenced earlier in this thread, there are limited opportunities to gain black type for 3YO fillies on turf this time of year, so it kind of makes you wonder.

[clambeau]

Is the Belmont undercard the culprit for the ridiculously small fields on the undercard stakes card on Met Mile Day ? Do they all want to run on the Belmont undercard, just to say....what?

5-6 horse fields for 3 GI's ? Someone help me out here

[Linny]

There are really no stakes on the Belmont card that are competing with this weekend's races. The Met Mile, Acorn, Phipps and Sands Point are for divisions that won't be represented in stakes on June 9 at Belmont.

[RockHardTen1985]

Better Lucky in the Sands Point. Don't feel great about it though.
Its Tricky, Cash for Clunkers in the Phipps.
Zo Impressive and Contested in the Acorn.
THAS and a little Shack in the Met.
Likely going to play a 2/2/2 with the horses mentioned above. Play that for 10$. Cool 80$. Then press Zo Impressive a bit more, I have not liked a horse as much as I like her tomorrow in a while.

[goodcopy]

These fields look a lot like the west coast!
Just another "problem"we face in this "Sport Of Kings"

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

These fields look a lot like the west coast!
Just another "problem"we face in this "Sport Of Kings"

Its a great card and its silly to complain. Ill take quality all day. I see money to be made, even with the small fields. Zo Impressive at 5-1, Cash for Clunkers at 12-1 and THAS and Shack being in the 5-2 up to 5-1 range because of the overbet Calebs Posse.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

These fields look a lot like the west coast!
Just another "problem"we face in this "Sport Of Kings"

Saginaw has won five races in a row. His last two races were stakes victories at Belmont Park. His last race was a particularly impressive performance. He is trained by a high % trainer. The 8f distance of the Met is probably the gelding's best distance.

I mention all of this about Saginaw because he is likely to be no better than the FIFTH choice in the wagering of the Met Mile. That's because the top four horses are so talented and accomplished. I think that's a fairly clear sign that its a pretty damn good race. Not to mention the fact that the horse likely to be the longest shot in the field is a Pletcher/Castellano coming off a 3-length win in a G2.

This sport has quite a few "problems." The field for this year's Met Mile certainly isn't one of them.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by clambeau

5-6 horse fields for 3 GI's ? Someone help me out here

Again, in the case of the Met Mile, are there a lot of other horses out there who you think should be challenging Shackleford, Jackson Bend, To Honor and Serve, and Caleb's Posse at 8f?
I can't think of many.

This is a fantastic race.

[declansharbor]

I like Self Imposed Ban in the Ogden Phipps and MyWordDontMeanShit in the Met Mile for $1,000 straight.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I like Self Imposed Ban in the Ogden Phipps and MyWordDontMeanShit in the Met Mile for $1,000 straight.

I laughed.

But it acually helped. It gave me the confidence to single Caleb's Posse at least on a back-up ticket.