The Chicago Public School Teachers Demand 30% Raise

[dellinger63]

Just voted to strike. WTF? I missed all of the articles touting CPS’s recent success? How much have standardized test scores increased?

How many here would either be laughed at or fired if the same demand was made to your employer? Yet in an inmates take the asylum moment the Chicago teachers are.

How about this? Stop screwing taxpayers and especially property owners in Chicago. The 92% who still have jobs certainly haven’t received a 30% raise and the remainder is unemployed.

Instead of collectively paying everyone the same. Success needs to be rewarded and failure removed based on an individual’s performance. The current and proposed contracts are certainly unfair as it rewards teachers who are failing the same as those who are succeeding.

When an employer, private or public collectively pays their employees they take away a good deal of incentive and motivation for an employee to perform above the norm. The working too hard are deemed brown nosers or told to ‘not kill the job’. It also reduces quality of end product while simultaneously inflating its cost. Sadly in the case of most public school teachers, the end product is a student who has neither the language nor math skills to go any further than high school yet many (at least in Chicago, 50% of the students who don’t drop out) have a sheepskin falsely stating they do.

For the sake of future students let’s break the practice of unfair rewarding and instead pay the good teachers what they deserve and realize there are teachers who are failures and deserve to be fired and replaced. Giving in to the union’s demand and keeping the status quo of accepting failure is unfair to the taxpayer and damages students, many for life. Chicago could learn a lot from the recent success experienced by Wisconsin sans Milwaukee.

[Riot]

They have voted to strike if negotiations break down this summer. They have voted to authorize the strike before negotiations, which is a good thing. There is an independent fact-finder that will help both sides come to agreement.

Teachers did not receive the 4% raise they were promised last year (it was revoked) and now they have a 20% increase in their classroom work.

This is why unions were formed - to keep employers from abusing employees by denying raises that were promised, and demanding 1/5 more work for the same pay. They will negotiate, and meet in the middle. Hopefully the city won't "revoke" the raises they agree to. Like they just did last year. That can make employees angry enough to, you know, strike.

The union is proposing smaller class sizes, improved job
security, and a raise to go along with a new curriculum, a new
evaluation system and a 20 percent increase in instructional
time.

Lewis said teachers had been offered a 2 percent annualraise. According to Brizard, teachers have asked for a 30 percent raise over the next two years.

Brizard said that with a projected $3 billion deficit over
the next three years, the school system cannot afford such a
raise, but that teachers will receive a "fair" salary increase.

Brizard said the public schools are not changing its class size
policy, and has offered union members more planning and
professional development time.

The Chicago Public Schools angered Chicago teachers last
year by revoking a scheduled 4 percent pay raise.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel also has antagonized the teachers' union with his
aggressive push for a longer school day and support for
non-union charter schools.

They deserve a 4% pay cut. Look at all of the murders in that city this year. They have failed. A miserable f.ucking failure. In fact all teachers under the Department of Education umbrella deserve max pay of $7.00 an hour and the administrators deserve a bag of rice and a gallon of water.

F.uck off with your disingenuous liberal bleeding heart campaign for teachers. This country is finished because of public education. You god-damned sissies let the kids take over.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

They have voted to strike if negotiations break down this summer. They have voted to authorize the strike before negotiations, which is a good thing. There is an independent fact-finder that will help both sides come to agreement.

Teachers did not receive the 4% raise they were promised last year (it was revoked) and now they have a 20% increase in their classroom work.

This is why unions were formed - to keep employers from abusing employees by denying raises that were promised, and demanding 1/5 more work for the same pay. They will negotiate, and meet in the middle. Hopefully the city won't "revoke" the raises they agree to. Like they just did last year. That can make employees angry enough to, you know, strike.

Shortest school day, shortest school year of any major city. Demanding raises and approving to strike before negotiating is typical union nonsense. Modern day thuggery once again.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Look at all of the murders in that city this year.

One way to reduce classroom size, Coach!

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

One way to reduce classroom size, Coach!

[dellinger63]

The sad thing is the complete disconnect the union brainwashed Chicago Public School teachers have with reality. The City of Chicago and the State of Illinois are not only broke, both are severely in debt, there is no money for any raise what more 30% collectively. I heard an interview with the head of the teachers union (who obviously does not believe in healthy food or exercise, at least for herself) where she was asked if longer school days would help educate children? She quickly responded no!

Can’t believe the reporter didn’t ask, “If that is the case and longer school days will not help the children will shorter days work? And if that’s the case will lowering pay work? How about relieving the teachers of their union all-together? How much do all the union officials, buildings, vacations, cars perks etc amount to every year?”

Sure some teachers deserve a raise just as some teachers don’t and some even need to be fired. None of them deserve the con-job given to them by their union. Job performance rather than job seniority should be the predominant factor when deciding pay scales, you know like it is in the private ‘real world’.

[Honu]

I am of the belief that people who's salarys are paid by our tax dollars should not be able to hold us hostage and deny services. Private sector Unions are diffirent in that if they go on strike I have the option of doing buisness somewhere else, which I do.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Honu

I am of the belief that people who's salarys are paid by our tax dollars should not be able to hold us hostage and deny services. Private sector Unions are diffirent in that if they go on strike I have the option of doing buisness somewhere else, which I do.

Pres. Reagan and Gov. Scott Walker fit that bill. This Walker guy has a future beyond WI

[Riot]

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

Nope, just their Unions and their coffering ways. Why should someone who is basically paid to do a job with private citizens tax dollars be allowed to deny said tax payer the service? We will have to agree to disagree.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Shortest school day, shortest school year of any major city. Demanding raises and approving to strike before negotiating is typical union nonsense. Modern day thuggery once again.

As opposed to negotiating a raise with the union, signing a contract promising that raise, then reneging? You know, what the non-union side actually did?

Seems that makes them lying contract breakers, no?

BTW, "thuggery" means violence. You really need to stop deliberately misusing the term in a transparent attempt to falsely demonize kindergarten teachers.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

As opposed to negotiating a raise with the union, signing a contract promising that raise, then reneging? You know, what the non-union side actually did?

Seems that makes them lying contract breakers, no?

BTW, "thuggery" means violence. You really need to stop deliberately misusing the term in a transparent attempt to falsely demonize kindergarten teachers.

Is it not an act of violence to deny a child their right to an education because of your union greed. I would say so.

Originally Posted by Riot

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

Yes they are. The union protects the bad ones and thus the good ones in the union are equally bad because they are the f.ucking sheep allowing it, you dense cu.nt. You are defending a failing liberal/socialist government program.

Just shut up and go away, imbecile. Go cut some cat nuts off.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nope, just their Unions and their coffering ways. Why should someone who is basically paid to do a job with private citizens tax dollars be allowed to deny said tax payer the service? We will have to agree to disagree.

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes they are. The union protects the bad ones and thus the good ones in the union are equally bad because they are the f.ucking sheep allowing it, you dense cu.nt. You are defending a failing liberal/socialist government program.

Just shut up and go away, imbecile.

Funny, I think you're an imbecile, too But not a very bright one. And unbelievably limited in vocabulary.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Is it not an act of violence to deny a child their right to an education because of your union greed. I would say so.

No. It is not an act of violence. And what is greedy - as it's certainly not violent - about forcing the person who signs a contract with you to uphold their end of the legal agreement? That's call "capitalistic free market".

You approve of being able to break contracts you sign with people?

Originally Posted by Riot

Funny, I think you're an imbecile, too But not a very bright one. And unbelievably limited in vocabulary.

You just insulted the majority of posters on this site. If you're so god-damned smart you would have the awareness that this place is littered with idiots.

And, in fact, I've never claimed to be super intelligent nor bragged about academic achievements. You, on the other hand, crowbar it in on the regular.

You are f.ucking dumb. Beneath the majority on this site. Even nascar has more sense than you.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

OK I can agree to that. But what if there is no money to pay them the wage increase? What if the increase was based upon job performance which most jobs are in the private sector? Then how do you justify paying a salary increase when the numbers show you arent doing a very good job.
I know in my line of work that raises and bonus's are based upon job performance and attitude. Like I said we can agree to disagree, I say that in the hope that this discussion stays above the belt.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

No one is forced to work, you choose your path and if you do not like it change it don't hold children hostage.