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09-18-2012, 05:58 PM
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Republican-Alec voter suppression laws
Good news! This law was estimated to disenfranchise 100,000 up to 1 million voters around Philadelphia alone.
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This site is up-to-date on all voter ID laws, including those already overturned or still in court. Below are multiple stories about American citizens not being able to get the "newly required" type of ID that will allow them to continue to vote (their old ID's are no longer valid due to Republican-Alec law changes) Quote:
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09-19-2012, 11:09 AM
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"Wiola Lee
Wiola Lee, 59, was born in rural Georgia and moved to Philadelphia in her early youth to live with her grandmother. Ms. Lee worked for the Philadelphia Public Schools, including special needs children. She has voted for well over 30 years and has been civically active, volunteering as a poll worker in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. With the new voter ID laws, Ms. Lee is trying to access her birth certificate which she will need in order to obtain a photo ID, but the state of Georgia has no record of her birth. Without a photo ID, Ms. Lee will not be able to vote. Read more" I would love to know how one gets a job in a public school system without a photo ID and complete background check. I call BS on this one.
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09-19-2012, 02:38 PM
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You can check here to see if you've been disenfranchised www.gottavote.org I wouldn't assume you are "safe" just because you've always voted and you have a drivers license.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 09-19-2012 at 02:50 PM.
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09-19-2012, 02:41 PM
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thing is, i've read numerous times how this is supposedly a racist deal, trying to require id. yet, the scotus rules that since id requirements are the same across the board, the rule isn't racist.
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09-19-2012, 02:48 PM
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For the last six decades, Barbara Decoursey, 79, has never missed voting in an election, especially a presidential election.
She has been voting faithfully ever since the days of Harry S. Truman, and she has seen to it that all of her children, grand- and great-grandchildren voted as well. So committed has she been to the process that she has worked her way up the ladder to become an election judge for the city’s Board of Elections. But this year, Decoursey got a scare that even she, an elections official, might not be able to perform her cherished ritual this time around. A new state voting law has nearly derailed her ability to vote by requiring credentials like a birth certificate that she doesn’t have. And she’s not the only one. 96-year-old Louise Furness, like other seniors across the state, face a similar dilemma. The cause of all their concerns is their difficulty in obtaining the required birth documentation to accommodate the new voter identification bill. The problem is that would-be voters can’t get the photo identification without the birth certificate. Decoursey is so well connected that on the face of it she would appear to be one of the last people to have a problem getting a birth certificate, even though she, like many of her generation, was born at home in the South at a time when the births of Black people weren’t tracked as closely as others. “Back then, they didn’t have birth certificates,” said Furness. Until higher political officials intervened, Decoursey, who had tried for years without success to obtain a birth certificate, thought she would not have a chance to once again vote for a Black president. Decoursey worries that if she has had such difficulty what must it be like for other Black seniors. Furness is one of those who still have a problem. As in the case of Decoursey, her problem has been proving that she was ever born. Because such a law reminds some of efforts to disqualify Barack Obama over his birth certificate, as well as other reasons, some critics claim it is a deliberate effort to make it more difficult for the elderly to vote in the Nov. 6 general election. But supporters of the legislation like Gov. Tom Corbett contend the law is merely an effort to prevent voter fraud. The Pennsylvania House of Representatives passed the Voter ID Bill in March. When the bill becomes law in time for November election, all voters will be required to present photo identification at the polls. Those who do not produce identification will be allowed to cast provisional ballots and will be required to send in an identification document within six days after Election Day. The new rule is expected to present difficulties for other elderly citizens besides Decoursey and Furness, who might not have photo IDs because they do not drive. A second problem was difficulty getting to a Department of Motor Vehicles office to get the necessary documents. Some may not even be aware of the new rule. But the difficulty in obtaining birth certificates seems to be the biggest deterrent facing would-be voters who are seniors. For both Decoursey and Furness, born of midwives down in North Carolina, birth certificates didn’t exist. Even councilwoman Marian Tasco said she ran into a similar problem when she tried to obtain a driver’s license in 1968 after moving to Philadelphia. At her recent Democratic fundraising brunch in North Philadelphia, Tasco said obtaining a birth certificate was a difficult ordeal. “I went through it in 1968. I had to get a license...and they wrote back that there was no record of my birth.” She said she had to go through a lengthy process of establishing her birth to obtain one. “For many of us, birth certificates are difficult to come by,” she said. At a presentation of the Voter ID Law by the City Commissioner’s Office Tuesday, Tasco said the problem is especially acute for Black seniors, the backbone of Black voting power. “For our elderly from places like Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia, a lot were born at home,” she said. Election official Donna Powell complained, “The rules seem to be changing day by day. It’s a big mess designed to deter voters from coming out to vote for Obama.” Similar identification legislation has been introduced throughout the country, but Pennsylvania’s bill is said to be one of the strictest. Proponents of such laws, claim that they support such legislation in order to prevent voter fraud. But at the presentation of a Voter I.D. bill educational meeting, state Rep. Cherelle Parker told an audience in West Oak Lane, “We can’t allow people to keep us away from the polls.” She said though the bill has already been passed, opponents like herself were seeking to overturn the bill through lawsuits, legislative repeal and educating the public. According to Parker, the NAACP and the ACLU have both filed lawsuits attempting to overturn the statute. While help from state Rep. Dwight Evan’s office eventually paid off for Decoursey, Furness was still in limbo about being able to obtain a birth certificate from her home state of North Carolina. For many of her years voting, Furness had used a voter registration card. But she said her pocketbook, with the card in it, was stolen recently. “I’ve been voting ever since I got a voting card,” she said, who said she is not sure how long ago that was. “At my age, I don’t remember everything. All I know is when I was born, there was no birth certificate.” Both women are grandmothers who have suffered discrimination and have taught their children the sanctity of the ballot. As Furness put it, “I have been voting in every election, now I don’t know which way to go.”
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 02:59 PM
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It's sad to see "American citizens" arguing in favor of preventing their fellow citizens from voting. Especially when "voter fraud by pretending to be someone you are not" is virtually non-existent in the USA.
I can see where it's difficult for people with enough disposable income that they have computers and internet connections and jobs and houses to think it's impossible for "real participatory in life citizens" to not already have a photo ID, birth certificate, SS card at their fingertips. You simply cannot comprehend a life other than your own. We all do that, judge by our own experience. And that's the entire point. Not every American citizen has your luck, or your life. That you simply can't comprehend such an existence in the United States for a good portion of your fellow citizens is telling about how lucky many Americans are. And how blind some Americans are to what actually exists in this country of riches. Unbelievable.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 03:11 PM
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Since there are so many poor white republican 47% voters in all those southern states who no doubt do not have ID either I am sure the election will go just as it would without either group. It is sad they have not actively participated in any other aspect of society aside from voting that requires a person to be able to identify themselves. Shame on them for missing out on some really great things.
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09-19-2012, 03:17 PM
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Voter suppression is WRONG. Don't you agree with that, Clip-Clop? This is the United States - we should make it easier for all citizens to vote - not harder. Quote:
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 03:25 PM
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Lawyers would never lie or make something up to further their agenda, how silly of me.
Voter suppression is wrong (though I am for a test, once again this year the geniuses at the Stern show traveled NYC and we learned just how uninformed our voters are), confirming that a voter is who they say they are is OK with me. One case of fraud is too many.
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09-19-2012, 03:38 PM
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What has happened with these laws is that all the things that you used to be able to use to prove who you are, all the forms of voter ID you have used legally in the past to allow you to vote - - have been eliminated in some states - replaced now with more restrictive and fewer specific requirements. These restrictive Voter ID laws are not asking for voter ID - they are taking a list of 20 items you have used a combination of, in the past, to prove who you are and enabled you to vote, and now saying only 2 or 3 of those things are valid. Asking for voter ID is not what these laws are doing - these laws are eliminating legal voters ID's people have used in the past to legally vote. You realize that "a test" has been overturned as an unfair discriminatory poll tax, right? It's illegal? I'll guess you don't understand why that would be illegal, because you are suggesting it 
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 03:42 PM
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09-19-2012, 03:49 PM
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09-19-2012, 03:55 PM
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The rest of us will continue to have to scrape and fight for everything we can get while getting fleeced for some of the most ridiculous reasons.
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09-19-2012, 03:58 PM
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Seriously? Quote:
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 04:14 PM
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WE are all victims of DC, some of us just realize it while others go along dreaming of slogans.
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09-19-2012, 04:31 PM
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That's not the issue we are discussing.People have always had to "prove who they are" to vote in the USA. That's why the incidence of voter fraud by identity deception is virtually non-existent in the USA. People have used multiple forms of identification to legally "prove who they are" in the past, so they can legally vote. Now, these new laws are eliminating most of those past forms of legal identification, restricting voting now to only a few specific types of ID's Quote:
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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09-19-2012, 04:36 PM
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True believers are suckers.
Go ahead and exercise your control see if that stops your hero from being OWNED by the banks and a different group of wealthy investors than the ones you have been conditioned not to like, inform yourself and go out and make the best decision you think you can for the country. No matter what decision you make there is someone out there making the opposite one because they got swept up in a marketing campaign and actually believe what they see on TV or read in the paper or online. The alarm clock is ringing, it is time to wake up.
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