Worst thread start in recent history

[cmorioles]

Which is it?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i voted for mine..thanks

[Calzone Lord]

Gallant Fields was major news. No one runs on one day of rest.

Don't be bitter because that money hungry franchise you stole from a respectable city like Seattle traded Harden for a stick of gum because they didn't want to pay him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Gallant Fields was major news. No one runs on one day of rest.

Don't be bitter because that money hungry franchise you stole from a respectable city like Seattle traded Harden for a stick of gum because they didn't want to pay him.

They got two first round draft picks, and at least one will be a lottery pick, for a player they could not possibly resign. Plus, they saved the year long " when should we trade him " headache. It was a GREAT trade for OKC.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They got two first round draft picks, and at least one will be a lottery pick, for a player they could not possibly resign. Plus, they saved the year long " when should we trade him " headache. It was a GREAT trade for OKC.

It really is a good trade. Martin will bring scoring, Lamb is very talented, and they get two 1st and a 2nd from Charlotte, which is 99% to be the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Further, they got rid of two bad players with guaranteed contracts in Hayward and Cook.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It really is a good trade. Martin will bring scoring, Lamb is very talented, and they get two 1st and a 2nd from Charlotte, which is 99% to be the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Further, they got rid of two bad players with guaranteed contracts in Hayward and Cook.

Anytime you get even close to real value for a player you need to trade, or lose for nothing, it's a good trade. This was a great move by OKC.

[King Glorious]

It was a bad deal for both OKC and for Harden. Some people will say that they didn't want to pay him but that's just not true. They offered him $4.5 million less over the four years than the max that he was seeking. That's $1.25 million per year. Harden talked about how it was an ideal situation for him and how he and his teammates were more like brothers and family and had something really special....then he wants to let go of it for that amount? OKC shouldn't have traded him. I would have kept him the whole year and seen what happened at the end. I doubt he would have been dogging it because he would have been playing for a contract from someone. What happens if they would have won it all? I think coming off a championship, he would have stayed for less than the max. What they got back in return for him doesn't come close to being equal value. If you look at Martin's scoring average, you will be fooled into thinking that he can easily replace what Harden gives you. He can't. While he does have the ability to score, that's about all he can do. He gives you nothing on the glass. He doesn't pass well. Doesn't play defense well. And his scoring average is a little misleading as he was the top scoring option on bad teams. In OKC, he's going to be third option so at best, you are looking at 14-16 a night. That's equal to Harden but again, he doesn't give you anything else. Where Harden will be missed most is that he could play the point for extended stretches and allow Westbrook to slide over to the two or rest a little more. That ability to run the offense was invaluable to OKC and his ability to create and get to the rim and finish or find open teammates will be sorely missed. The draft picks that they got in return could be good or could be nothing. With Harden, I thought they had a great chance to return to the finals. Now, I put them behind both LA teams in the West.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They got two first round draft picks, and at least one will be a lottery pick, for a player they could not possibly resign. Plus, they saved the year long " when should we trade him " headache. It was a GREAT trade for OKC.

The NBA is completely unwatchable in any format.

It's a star league and Harden is a young star.

Losing a guy who was the 3rd overall pick in the Blake Griffin draft and who has lived up to it is obviously something that can put a fan on tilt.

As evidence by the fact that 'For fans of PETA' by Indian Charlie was no included in this poll.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It was a bad deal for both OKC and for Harden. Some people will say that they didn't want to pay him but that's just not true. They offered him $4.5 million less over the four years than the max that he was seeking. That's $1.25 million per year. Harden talked about how it was an ideal situation for him and how he and his teammates were more like brothers and family and had something really special....then he wants to let go of it for that amount? OKC shouldn't have traded him. I would have kept him the whole year and seen what happened at the end. I doubt he would have been dogging it because he would have been playing for a contract from someone. What happens if they would have won it all? I think coming off a championship, he would have stayed for less than the max. What they got back in return for him doesn't come close to being equal value. If you look at Martin's scoring average, you will be fooled into thinking that he can easily replace what Harden gives you. He can't. While he does have the ability to score, that's about all he can do. He gives you nothing on the glass. He doesn't pass well. Doesn't play defense well. And his scoring average is a little misleading as he was the top scoring option on bad teams. In OKC, he's going to be third option so at best, you are looking at 14-16 a night. That's equal to Harden but again, he doesn't give you anything else. Where Harden will be missed most is that he could play the point for extended stretches and allow Westbrook to slide over to the two or rest a little more. That ability to run the offense was invaluable to OKC and his ability to create and get to the rim and finish or find open teammates will be sorely missed. The draft picks that they got in return could be good or could be nothing. With Harden, I thought they had a great chance to return to the finals. Now, I put them behind both LA teams in the West.

Paragraphs help, but as usual I totally disagree.

Harden IMO is overrated. He's had the luxury of being a 6th man, which likely meant his minutes often were when the other teams stars were out. Then, when he was playing with Durant and Westbrook, who was getting the opposing teams better defenders? Yep...Durant and Westbrook.

He's going to be THE man now and I think we're going to see that he looked a lot better because of who was around him.

two first rounders, a second rounder, a 14 point a game scorer and the #12 pick in this years draft and you think it was a bad trade?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Paragraphs help, but as usual I totally disagree.

Harden IMO is overrated. He's had the luxury of being a 6th man, which likely meant his minutes often were when the other teams stars were out. Then, when he was playing with Durant and Westbrook, who was getting the opposing teams better defenders? Yep...Durant and Westbrook.

He's going to be THE man now and I think we're going to see that he looked a lot better because of who was around him.

two first rounders, a second rounder, a 14 point a game scorer and the #12 pick in this years draft and you think it was a bad trade?

This pretty much nails it. Houston has now committed to building a team around Lin and Harden? Really?

The one thing Harden will get from the deal is an extra year that the Thunder couldn't give him, in addition to about 1 mil per season. Harden is not a max guy, and Houston will regret this signing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

This pretty much nails it. Houston has now committed to building a team around Lin and Harden? Really?

The one thing Harden will get from the deal is an extra year that the Thunder couldn't give him, in addition to about 1 mil per season. Harden is not a max guy, and Houston will regret this signing.

Lin will be out of the NBA before this contract runs out.

[King Glorious]

I agree with you that Harden is not a superstar and benefited by playing with Durant and Westbrook because of the attention they got and the freedom it left him. I think it's going to be a major adjustment for him in Houston and again, I don't see him as a superstar player. I don't feel he was worth the max contract. That said, he was still a very important piece to his team. I look at him like I look at a guy like Kendrick Perkins. Perkins doesn't add much to a team and say he's in Denver or Atlanta or LA, he doesn't help at all. But what he can give a team is exactly what OKC needed so therefore his value to them was higher than it would be to most teams. I think of Harden the same way. I think Harden took a lot of the pressure off of Durant and Westbrook in ways that Martin can't and that's what will be missed. He gave them an ability to always have two guys on the floor that could create their own shot. They don't have that now. He was excellent at getting to the line. The other thing is that on defense, he and Westbrook were often able to to just guard who was closest to them. They didn't have to waste time seeking out and finding their man. That's very important and that's another area that Martin will hurt them in. I'm not saying that Harden is so much better than Martin as a player, just that what he does is so much more of what OKC needs than what Martin does. I'm also not sold on draft picks being so meaningful, especially when you get out of the top 10. I've always felt that if you have a championship level team, you keep it until you can't. I don't think they were under pressure to trade him. I would have kept him through the season and seen how things played out and worst come to worst, he was still restricted so you could have decided that you want to keep him and pay him the max come July. If they had been under the gun like Orlando was where you know you will be losing a guy for sure and will gain nothing, that's different but that wasn't the case here.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lin will be out of the NBA before this contract runs out.

I don't know if he'll be out of the NBA because Houston will probably amnesty him by the last year of it and some team will take him cheap. I agree with where you're coming from though.

[Indian Charlie]

I say the worst thread in this poll is the hooves one, but only because any thread started by roller doc cannot be counted, because he's an automatic out.

[RockHardTen1985]

I'm with the face of NY and CJ. I think Harden is a borderline great player, but he's leaving a great team/situation. Now his numbers might be better but he won't be winning anytime soon. I can see him going for 24 6 and 5 and his team going 25-57

[Immanuel Kant]

The more I think about the Harden move, the more disappointed I am in OKC. Harden's a unique talent who can defend, play either guard spot with intelligence, get inside or shoot from range, take care of the ball, pass, push it or slow it down. He does so much so well, I'd say it takes two or three guys to replace him.... OKC still has lots of horse power, but they just went from nitro to regular fuel. As for OKC getting first round picks, they're like lottery tickets...Harden is a blue chip stock

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Immanuel Kant

The more I think about the Harden move, the more disappointed I am in OKC. Harden's a unique talent who can defend, play either guard spot with intelligence, get inside or shoot from range, take care of the ball, pass, push it or slow it down. He does so much so well, I'd say it takes two or three guys to replace him.... OKC still has lots of horse power, but they just went from nitro to regular fuel. As for OKC getting first round picks, they're like lottery tickets...Harden is a blue chip stock

I couldn't get much past "Harden can defend". Well, no, not really. He can't.

The rest isn't too far off, but lets see what he can do facing #1 defenders without Durant and Westbrook around. I'm not so sure Martin, and eventually Lamb, can't do just as much as Harden did in that situation. Harden is basically Manu, and that guy never approached being paid as a MAX player. Same goes for a Jamaal Crawford or Jason Terry.

You realize the Thunder don't have much more committed to the new "Big 3" (Ibaka) than Houson has to Lin, Harden, and Asik. That doesn't sound very promising to me.

[NTamm1215]

I'm not in the camp that it was a great trade for the Rockets and OKC certainly did fine. However, everyone thinking that Kevin Martin has anything left in the tank has not watched him much the last few years. He's done.

This is the worst thread in recent memory.

A thread that is about Oklahoma City's basketball team in the padlock has more posts than my hurricane thread about handle for the BC.

The NBA is a horrible product. I'd rather read about ducks farting than this nonsense.

Obviously some weak ass basketball team that is probably going to make LeBron James legitimate is a big deal. They're awful. Oklahoma City is horrendous. The Buffalo Bills of the awful NBA.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This is the worst thread in recent memory.

A thread that is about Oklahoma City's basketball team in the padlock has more posts than my hurricane thread about handle for the BC.

The NBA is a horrible product. I'd rather read about ducks farting than this nonsense.

Obviously some weak ass basketball team that is probably going to make LeBron James legitimate is a big deal. They're awful. Oklahoma City is horrendous. The Buffalo Bills of the awful NBA.

I knew I should have included your thread in the poll!