Oak Tree Maintains Breeders' Cup Dominance

Oak Tree Set to Maintain Breeders' Cup Dominance

The Oak Tree Racing Association, which will begin its 38th world-class season on Wednesday, Sept. 27,(tomorrow) is primed to continue its reign of unparalleled excellence in the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships, with a series of Breeders' Cup prep races scheduled for the first two weekends of the meeting.

"There isn't a race meeting world-wide that can match our history of top performance on racing's biggest day," said Sherwood Chillingworth, Oak Tree Director and Executive Vice President. "Since the inception of the Breeders' Cup (in 1984) Oak Tree has been the premier location for horses prepping for the event."

Chillingworth pointed out that dating back to 1984, 311 Breeders' Cup horses have had their final prep races at Oak Tree. Of those, 31 individuals have gone on to victory, and an additional 63 horses have placed second or third. Of those horses which have used Oak Tree as their final steppingstone to the Breeders' Cup, a whopping 38 percent have finished first, second or third.

Oak Tree will run a series of eight Breeders' Cup prep races over the first two weekends,

Saturday, Sept. 30.

Gr. I, $400,000 Yellow Ribbon Stakes for fillies and mares aged three and up 10f T

Gr. I, $250,000 Clement L. Hirsch for 3-year-olds and up 10f T

Gr. I, $250,000 Oak Leaf Breeders' Cup Stakes for 2-year-old fillies 8.5f


Sunday, Oct. 1,

the Gr. II, $250,000 Lady's Secret Breeders' Cup Handicap for fillies and mares aged three and up 8.5f


Saturday, Oct. 7,
The Gr. I, $250,000 Ancient Title Breeders' Cup Sprint for 3-year-olds and up, 6f.

Gr. II, $500,000 Goodwood Breeders' Cup Handicap for 3-year-olds and up, 9f.

Gr. II, $250,000 Oak Tree Breeders' Cup Mile Turf for 3-year-olds and up, 8f.


Sunday, Oct. 8,
Gr. II, $250,000 Norfolk Breeders' Cup Stakes for 2-year-olds 8.5 f.


see, oaktreeracing.com

[Sightseek]

Any possibles for this weekend's races yet?

[blackthroatedwind]

So there have been 161 BC races and horses that prepped at SA won 31 of them or 19% ( though with a dead heat for Johar they sort of won 30 1/2 races ). There were 322 place and show positions available of which SA preppers took 63 spots or 19.5%. Plus 311 stated, 31 won ( or 10 % ) with another 20% filling out those same in the money spots.

Sounds like they underperformed as one of the three major curcuits ( with Kentucky and New York obviously being the other two ).

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So there have been 161 BC races and horses that prepped at SA won 31 of them or 19% ( though with a dead heat for Johar they sort of won 30 1/2 races ). There were 322 place and show positions available of which SA preppers took 63 spots or 19.5%. Plus 311 stated, 31 won ( or 10 % ) with another 20% filling out those same in the money spots.

Sounds like they underperformed as one of the three major curcuits ( with Kentucky and New York obviously being the other two ).

numbers don't lie but you can lie with numbers.

you new yorkers just make up your own tales to tell don't ya.

the article says 38%, that would be a 5% better than expected
ITM percent if you only count three circuits. how convenient that you discount Illinois, Texas, and Florida.

that makes six circuits, and thus presses the Percntage to 38% vs. 16.66 which is 1/6.

[Pointg5]

I would like to see the numbers from Turfway, there was a time when alot of horses prepping for the BC in the Kentucky Cup would run big in the BC...

Silver Charm
Reraise
Caller One
Captain Steve
Point Given
Vindication
Cash Run
Spain
Cajun Beat

There's some others...

[FATPIANO]

add Malibu Mint to Turfway, she just won again going 6. She will win The Sprint at a BIG number.....you heard it here first

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

numbers don't lie but you can lie with numbers.

you new yorkers just make up your own tales to tell don't ya.

IF YOU CANNOT RESPOND TO PEOPLE WITHOUT RANCOR, WITHOUT ANIMUS AND WITHOUT GLARING INVITATIONS FOR CONFLICT, THAN FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO POST...

The above was a totally unnecessary part of your response to BTW's questioning of Oak Tree's claims.. (Much as the WWII portion of a response to a post was yesterday)...

My toleration for this from a number of people is AT AN END...

Steve

[kenny p]

Thanks for that Steve, It seems to me that some posters just look for conflict. Oracle and BTW seem to be targets no matter what they say. As an average fan with no racetrack connections I think its a great thing when these guys and some others share what they know. Thanks KP

how dare you chastise me like that in public.

delete me from your memebership base.

and take this message baord

AND STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE.

YOU AND YOUR COMTEMPTUOUS GROUP OF FOLLOWERS CAN GET IN LINE AND KISS MY ASS.

Originally Posted by Secretariat

how dare you chastise me like that in public.

delete me from your memebership base.

and take this message baord

AND STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE.

YOU AND YOUR COMTEMPTUOUS GROUP OF FOLLOWERS CAN GET IN LINE AND KISS MY ASS.

Why do you want to fight with everyone?

[randallscott35]

Horses have done well coming out of West Coast preps. That's a fine angle. They've also done well coming from other preps. Its a puzzle each year. PAst performance is not indicative of future results.

I like West Coast racing even though I'm an east coaster, but small fields, wherever they are suck.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

how dare you chastise me like that in public.

delete me from your memebership base.

Done...

As I said, I've had enough...

[Scav]

He isn't censoring, blocky just continues to say stupid stuff and it is worthless, if it was worthwhile, EVEN if Kasept disagreed, he wouldn't have touched it

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by merasmag

while i don't condone censorship of any kind, i guess i'm glad i left this on while doing the dishes, i would hate to have had to hear of blocky's diatribe 2hand, oh well, time to go try and salvage some $ out of the cubs last homestand, i think i'm gonna get some packer stuff for the cheeseheads to buy tonite-have a good nite everybody!

Censorship in public discourse is one thing...

What we have here ISN'T "public" in that sense. It's a Forum on a PRIVATELY owned and administered website and I will determine what is fit for public view on a product that bears my name. Period. If anyone doesn't like that, I'm sorry.

There's not going to be the animosity and bickering and ugliness here that has ruined other Forums.

Steve

[boswd]

You see when you play a percentage game you can have high numbers that may be misleading.
"311 Breeders' Cup horses have had their final prep races at Oak Tree. Of those, 31 individuals have gone on to victory, and an additional 63 horses have placed second or third. Of those horses which have used Oak Tree as their final steppingstone to the Breeders' Cup, a whopping 38 percent have finished first, second or third."

I would love to see the number of horses who have had their final preps at Belmont and the number of ITM horse as well. Something tells me that their have been a higher number of horse tuning up at Belmont Vs. Oak Tree and more winners but the percentage would not be as high.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by boswd

You see when you play a percentage game you can have high numbers that may be misleading.
"311 Breeders' Cup horses have had their final prep races at Oak Tree. Of those, 31 individuals have gone on to victory, and an additional 63 horses have placed second or third. Of those horses which have used Oak Tree as their final steppingstone to the Breeders' Cup, a whopping 38 percent have finished first, second or third."

I would love to see the number of horses who have had their final preps at Belmont and the number of ITM horse as well. Something tells me that their have been a higher number of horse tuning up at Belmont Vs. Oak Tree and more winners but the percentage would not be as high.

What might be more interesting would be to see how the horses that prepped at Belmont performed in relation to their odds versus how the ones that prepped at Santa Anita did vis a vis their odds. I guess, to be fair, one would have to eliminate the BCs that were in California and NY as those provide a somewhat unfair homecourt advantage at least in this situation. These would probably be the only two regions that would provide a large enough sample size to get a reasonably true picture.

I bet both jurisdictions performed similarly in terms of odds and probably overall the NY preppers performed better if only because they host more prestigious races and rated to draw better horses.

I just find it funny that SA would choose to advertise their supposed success when the actual numbers they gave don't exactly work in their favor.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What might be more interesting would be to see how the horses that prepped at Belmont performed in relation to their odds versus how the ones that prepped at Santa Anita did vis a vis their odds. I guess, to be fair, one would have to eliminate the BCs that were in California and NY as those provide a somewhat unfair homecourt advantage at least in this situation. These would probably be the only two regions that would provide a large enough sample size to get a reasonably true picture.

I bet both jurisdictions performed similarly in terms of odds and probably overall the NY preppers performed better if only because they host more prestigious races and rated to draw better horses.

I just find it funny that SA would choose to advertise their supposed success when the actual numbers they gave don't exactly work in their favor.

I love it when tracks have to chest thump and when they use the percentage game it usually means they are over compensating. Just think in a hypothetical situation. If Suffolk Downs had two horses prep for the BC in the MassCap (defunct, I know) and both of the horses finished in the money on BC Day than they would have a 100% ITM Unparralled by any track World Wide. LOL LOL

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Any possibles for this weekend's races yet?

Excerpts from Oak Tree stable notes.....


Probable for the 38th running of the Hirsch at 1 1/4 miles: Artiste Royal, Pat Valenzuela; Don Incauto, no rider; Fantastic Spain, no rider; Quinquin the King, Corey Nakatani; T.H. Approval, Alex Solis; and The Tin Man, Victor Espinoza.

* * *

Probable for the 30th running of the Yellow Ribbon, at 1 1/4 miles on turf: Amorama, Victor Espinoza; Dancing Edie, Corey Nakatani; Live Life, Pat Valenzuela; Singalong, no rider; Three Degrees, Alex Solis; and Wait A While, Garrett Gomez.

* * *

Lady's Secret noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...p_Handicap.pdf

Oak Leaf noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...Cup_Stakes.pdf

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Excerpts from Oak Tree stable notes.....


Probable for the 38th running of the Hirsch at 1 1/4 miles: Artiste Royal, Pat Valenzuela; Don Incauto, no rider; Fantastic Spain, no rider; Quinquin the King, Corey Nakatani; T.H. Approval, Alex Solis; and The Tin Man, Victor Espinoza.

* * *

Probable for the 30th running of the Yellow Ribbon, at 1 1/4 miles on turf: Amorama, Victor Espinoza; Dancing Edie, Corey Nakatani; Live Life, Pat Valenzuela; Singalong, no rider; Three Degrees, Alex Solis; and Wait A While, Garrett Gomez.

* * *

Lady's Secret noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...p_Handicap.pdf

Oak Leaf noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...Cup_Stakes.pdf

Thanks, great weekend!

[copying]

Originally Posted by boswd

You see when you play a percentage game you can have high numbers that may be misleading.


I would love to see the number of horses who have had their final preps at Belmont and the number of ITM horse as well. Something tells me that their have been a higher number of horse tuning up at Belmont Vs. Oak Tree and more winners but the percentage would not be as high.

That's another way of saying Belmont horses have 3 more BC wins but entered 200 more horses.