Is Marvin Lewis a much better coach than what he gets credit for?

[Calzone Lord]

He's survived in Cincy for a long time now, when that place was a pit of hell before he got there.

His owner is a freaking cheapskate. He reportedly does a lot of annoying little things like charging players for gatorade instead of buying it for them.

Unlike most every other team, they let their top free agents getaway. Imagine how good the Bengals defense would be if they didn't let both Justin Smith and Johnathon Joseph get away?

Every year, the Bengals seem to lead the NFL in salary cap space. They're an NFL best $54 million under the cap again this year.

The guy has withstood a tightwad owner and decade long bad losing tradition the Bengals had...and that team has made the playoffs two years in a row playing in the same division as Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

A lot of people think he is a sh!t coach though, for some reason. Never really understood why. He's had useful QB's in Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton...but he's not a coach who gets completely carried by top flight QB play.

[BigBlue]

I've been a Bengals fan since the mid 70's which, of course, hasn't always been a easy thing to do. My Kenny Anderson replica jersey comes out every time they're on TV.

I like Marvin and I think he's a good coach. Mike Zimmer is good too. I'm not sure ownership has done the Bengals any favors over the years and pursuing and hanging on to some players that end up being more of a distraction than productive has been a problem.

It's been great to watch them over the last two years - I think they'll be even better this year which means I believe they'll be competitive with the best in the AFC and therefore best in the game.

[Danzig]

i think he's the first coach to actually have more career wins than losses with cincy, they're that bad.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he's the first coach to actually have more career wins than losses with cincy, they're that bad.

79-80-1

Maybe next year he will.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

79-80-1

Maybe next year he will.

i think when i saw the show, he'd just inched above 500. oops...

[BigBlue]

It appears that owner Mike Brown's record is 115-204-1, so Marvin is boosting that win percentage.

Nice.

[horseofcourse]

Ahh, memories. I was taken to the woodshed by most on here stating that no way should marvin Lewis get fired after the 2010 season. I was absolutely brutalized by all involved. I should go back and look for that. I did go back and look. It was ugly. DaHoss and ateam are just really mean people!!! They really don't like me. I think all 3 of us are right. The Bengals have made the playoffs every year since that thread and they still have zero playoff wins!! good thing I never come on here anymore. It's for the best.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

good thing I never come on here anymore. It's for the best.

Totally agree.

[ateamstupid]

Doug, you have a grammatical pet peeve of mine in the title of this thread. The 'what' is completely unnecessary. It's something I hear buffoon color commentators like Troy Aikman say all the time: "He's playing way better than what he was last year" and it drives me nuts.

Oh, and for the eternal victim up there, his argument was never that Lewis was a good coach statistically or strategically. It was always something meaningless like "Lewis is old school, he's a nice guy, he's a straight talker", etc. and therefore he shouldn't be fired.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Doug, you have a grammatical pet peeve of mine in the title of this thread. The 'what' is completely unnecessary. It's something I hear buffoon color commentators like Troy Aikman say all the time: "He's playing way better than what he was last year" and it drives me nuts.

Oh, and for the eternal victim up there, his argument was never that Lewis was a good coach statistically or strategically. It was always something meaningless like "Lewis is old school, he's a nice guy, he's a straight talker", etc. and therefore he shouldn't be fired.

I never stated I was a victim. I stated two participants in the thread were mean. I went back through it, and it's true. I was not a victim at all. I held my own. I did not mention Lewis as old school, straight talker, nothing remotely like that. My argument was all statistically based as his won loss record at the time in his 8 years were astronomically better than the 12 previous years of Bengal football. He greatly improved the team. Or the team magically improved when he became head coach...one or the other. With the upcoming lockout I argued it would be wrong also to change coaches. It was pretty much all statistically based. I looked simply at his record while coach and compared it to the previous 12 years of Bengal football. The conclusion was fairly obvious to me and I stated he didn't deserve to be fired at that time.

your qoutes are flat out lies, and were never my argument at any point in that thread. My argument was always the team improved significantly when Lewis became head coach. I am now intrigued by the routine where you spread lies and falsities, I may have to return more often now for a couple months of pure entertainment. I do occasionally look at threads on here, but refrain from posting. I was very shocked to see a Marvin Lewis thread as I remember vividly that "discussion" where crap was thrown my way. Blame Calzone for my return.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Totally agree.

special.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Doug, you have a grammatical pet peeve of mine in the title of this thread. The 'what' is completely unnecessary. It's something I hear buffoon color commentators like Troy Aikman say all the time: "He's playing way better than what he was last year" and it drives me nuts.

Oh, and for the eternal victim up there, his argument was never that Lewis was a good coach statistically or strategically. It was always something meaningless like "Lewis is old school, he's a nice guy, he's a straight talker", etc. and therefore he shouldn't be fired.

What I find funny is this Calzone comes on here stating pretty bluntly what I stated 2 years ago almost exactly word for word.....what a pit of hell the organization was, what I said two years ago....how bad Mike Brown is, what I said two years ago....my argument was pretty much for all intents and purposes what he stated. I simply stated it after a bad 4-12 season however and pretty much every single person on the thread but namely two on here took me to the woodshed. You crticize this Doug's grammar. Evidently he knows something that I don't by stating what I stated or something like that??

his argument was never that Lewis was a good coach statistically or strategically. It was always something meaningless like "Lewis is old school, he's a nice guy, he's a straight talker", etc. and therefore he shouldn't be fired

No, that's pretty much a lie. Flat out. It's pretty sad, when you can actually go look at that thread. It's still there.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I stated two participants in the thread were mean. I went back through it, and it's true. I was not a victim at all.

I went back and read the thread also. No one was mean to you. You're just on your quarterly desperation for attention kick.

Find someone else to get it from, victim.

[kp319]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

I've been a Bengals fan since the mid 70's which, of course, hasn't always been a easy thing to do. My Kenny Anderson replica jersey comes out every time they're on TV.

I like Marvin and I think he's a good coach. Mike Zimmer is good too. I'm not sure ownership has done the Bengals any favors over the years and pursuing and hanging on to some players that end up being more of a distraction than productive has been a problem.

It's been great to watch them over the last two years - I think they'll be even better this year which means I believe they'll be competitive with the best in the AFC and therefore best in the game.

The games in the 70's between the Bengals, Oilers and the Steelers were some of the most brutal games you'll ever see. Those teams used to absolutely beat the **** out of each other.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Ahh, memories. I was taken to the woodshed by most on here stating that no way should marvin Lewis get fired after the 2010 season. I was absolutely brutalized by all involved. I should go back and look for that. I did go back and look. It was ugly. DaHoss and ateam are just really mean people!!! They really don't like me. I think all 3 of us are right. The Bengals have made the playoffs every year since that thread and they still have zero playoff wins!! good thing I never come on here anymore. It's for the best.

This is a lot of chest thumping for a team that squeaked into the playoffs the last two years. If you want a coach's ultimate achievement to be making 3 playoff games in a decade you can have him. IMO he is not a good enough coach to win a Super Bowl, therefore he should have been fired already. Congrats on making the playoffs.

[BigBlue]

Originally Posted by 3kings

This is a lot of chest thumping for a team that squeaked into the playoffs the last two years. If you want a coach's ultimate achievement to be making 3 playoff games in a decade you can have him. IMO he is not a good enough coach to win a Super Bowl, therefore he should have been fired already. Congrats on making the playoffs.

3Kings, thanks. It's been a long time since "chest thumping" and "congrats on making the playoffs" has been attributed to Bengals fans. I'll take it! Must be a sure sign of turning the corner. WHO-DEY!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by 3kings

This is a lot of chest thumping for a team that squeaked into the playoffs the last two years. If you want a coach's ultimate achievement to be making 3 playoff games in a decade you can have him. IMO he is not a good enough coach to win a Super Bowl, therefore he should have been fired already. Congrats on making the playoffs.

All situations aren't equal. You can't hold the coach for the University of Montana to the same standard you hold Mike Krzyzewzki. You can't hold Lewis to the same standard as Belichik. Speaking of Coach K, something he once said has always stuck with me. He said to never let your success or failure be defined by someone else's expectations. The job of a coach is to use the resources at his disposal to acquire the best possible talent he can, put them in the best position to win by a combination of scheme and inspiration, set realistic expectations, and try to meet and then exceed them. My opinion is that Lewis gets as much out of his situation as anyone should reasonably expect.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

All situations aren't equal. You can't hold the coach for the University of Montana to the same standard you hold Mike Krzyzewzki. You can't hold Lewis to the same standard as Belichik. Speaking of Coach K, something he once said has always stuck with me. He said to never let your success or failure be defined by someone else's expectations. The job of a coach is to use the resources at his disposal to acquire the best possible talent he can, put them in the best position to win by a combination of scheme and inspiration, set realistic expectations, and try to meet and then exceed them. My opinion is that Lewis gets as much out of his situation as anyone should reasonably expect.

The Montana/Coach K analogy is just idiotic. Montana isn't in the ACC but the coach should make his team competitive in his conference or be fired. Has there ever been a coach in the NFL on the same team not win a playoff game for a full decade? Maybe you can present him with a participation trophy.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Doug, you have a grammatical pet peeve of mine in the title of this thread. The 'what' is completely unnecessary. It's something I hear buffoon color commentators like Troy Aikman say all the time: "He's playing way better than what he was last year" and it drives me nuts.

I know almost as much about grammar as I do football.

It's a photo finish.