34 Derby/Oaks runners from 18 trainers..

[Kasept]

Led by Pletcher's bewildering 9, the 34 (current) runners in the Derby & Oaks are trained by just 18 conditioners..

Pletcher 9
McPeek 3
Lukas 3
Mott 3
Baffert 2
Terranova 2
Aquirre
Amoss
Breen
Plesa
Rodriguez
McGaughey
O'Neill
O'Brien
C. Brown
Mandella
Santoro
B. Flint

[Danzig]

maybe cdi should add 'no more than two runners for a trainer' in their derby eligibility requirements.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

maybe cdi should add 'no more than two runners for a trainer' in their derby eligibility requirements.

Why?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why?

i'm one of those who thinks it's ridiculous that a couple 'super' trainers get the lions' share of the best horses.
obviously the rule would never happen.

[RockHardTen1985]

I concur. I'm no Pletcher fan either.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I concur. I'm no Pletcher fan either.

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

Baffert wins these races, recently won the Oaks and had how many Derby wins? Pletcher runs a lot of hopeless horses just to run.

[Dahoss]

I was sort of wondering how you would avoid answering that question. Well done.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you saying that because Baffert only has 2 in this group this year?

How is Baffert different than Pletcher?

he's not. everyone remembers his entering a horse that he had no intention of running a few years back, just to prevent another from getting in. every horse he runs in a prep gets treated like a derby horse. hell, they can have two wins in two lifetime starts and achieve favoritism in a grade one, cause it's a baffert horse.

i'm sick of pletcher, sick of baffert. it's ridiculous.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I was sort of wondering how you would avoid answering that question. Well done.

I think I answered it. I'm open to discuss it more.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think I answered it. I'm open to discuss it more.

Think again. You avoided it.

How is Baffert any different than Pletcher when Baffert gets so many horses also?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he's not. everyone remembers his entering a horse that he had no intention of running a few years back, just to prevent another from getting in. every horse he runs in a prep gets treated like a derby horse. hell, they can have two wins in two lifetime starts and achieve favoritism in a grade one, cause it's a baffert horse.

i'm sick of pletcher, sick of baffert. it's ridiculous.

Baffert is no saint. I'm a fan clearly, but I know he does some wrong. As far as entering horses to block other horses I think we are on the right path to stoping that with the new point system. You have to route and route successfully to be eligible I think that's a good step in the right direction. Having horses like Trinniberg ruin a potential triple crown winner does nothing good for racing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Think again. You avoided it.

How is Baffert any different than Pletcher when Baffert gets so many horses also?

Big picture it's no different. I do believe Baffert has run more well intended horses in triple crown races then Pletcher.

[Kasept]

If you're looking for differences between the two, Baffert doesn't have anywhere near the stock in number that Pletcher does. Over the last 4 years, Baffert has averaged 500 starts while Pletcher averages 1,000. To put that in perspective, Mott has 600/year, McPeek 500/year, McGaughey 250/year. Interestingly, Baffert over that period outperformed Pletcher, averaging $24,364 in earnings per start while Pletcher averaged $18,923.

[Sightseek]

It is wishful thinking, but hopefully the media focuses more on the tradition and history of Phipps, Stevens, Lukas etc. in the Derby than Baffert and Rodriguez.

I could watch hours of Easy Goer and Winning Colors between races.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you're looking for differences between the two, Baffert doesn't have anywhere near the stock in number that Pletcher does. Over the last 4 years, Baffert has averaged 500 starts while Pletcher averages 1,000. To put that in perspective, Mott has 600/year, McPeek 500/year, McGaughey 250/year. Interestingly, Baffert over that period outperformed Pletcher, averaging $24,364 in earnings per start while Pletcher averaged $18,923.

I know they both get the high end horses but it seems to me Baffert only trains these while Pletcher has a wider range of horses. Is this factual or just my perception?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I know they both get the high end horses but it seems to me Baffert only trains these while Pletcher has a wider range of horses. Is this factual or just my perception?

Baffert stock certainly leans heavily towards main track Classic-intended types by virtue of his client base and long record of success in those events. Pletcher definitely gets a wider variety of types and obviously enjoys a stronger resume with turf runners than Baffert. Both have had done outstanding work with elite sprinters.

[Alabama Stakes]

if I owned a hoss running in the Derby and my trainer wasn't throwin a saddle on him, I'd have one that would be. I'm just funny that way I guess.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If you're looking for differences between the two, Baffert doesn't have anywhere near the stock in number that Pletcher does. Over the last 4 years, Baffert has averaged 500 starts while Pletcher averages 1,000. To put that in perspective, Mott has 600/year, McPeek 500/year, McGaughey 250/year. Interestingly, Baffert over that period outperformed Pletcher, averaging $24,364 in earnings per start while Pletcher averaged $18,923.

24k per start is just an unbelievable number. Wow

[a_rookie]

Looking forward to an "all Pletcher" KD field