Rahm In Chitown

[randallscott35]

Heck of job Rahm. The new murder capital of the US and a day after 13 shot on playground, 5 dead and 6 shot last night...At least the summer is almost over. Less people outside to shoot at or with.

[randallscott35]

Chicago had the highest homicide rate in the nation in 2012, with 500 killings, according to FBI statistics. Los Angeles, with about a million more residents than Chicago, had 299 homicides last year.

[dellinger63]

By no means am I a Rahm fan but the murder problem in Chicago has nothing to do with him. He's tried to raise mandatory minimums for gun crimes and was denied because it would unfairly target minorities (African Americans) as they are the ones most often charged. He's put more police on the street, focused on the few small areas responsible for 90% of the violence etc. etc.

The argument that Rahm's raise in the mandatory/minimum sentence unfairly targeting minorities ignores the fact that in Chicago 75% of murder victims and 70% of murder offenders are African American. It makes perfect sense they are the ones most often charged. If any one person needs to be blamed it's Jesse Sr.

BTW as I stated in a previous thread the gun violence in Chicago for the most part is gang related only instead of drug dealers shooting it out over corners you now have tweeners killing over social media insults.

The 13 people that were recently shot in the park at 10:30 at night were Gangster Disciples including the family members of the 3-year old.

For the most part the murder rate in Chicago is much more of a small neighborhood problem rather than city-wide. And the majority of murders committed involve criminals killing criminals. It only becomes national news when a innocent 3-year old child, albeit a child from a family of gangsters, is a victim. And today I heard some dingbat on CNN blame the healthcare system in Chicago for the high murder rate.

[randallscott35]

I just don't like Rahm.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

By no means am I a Rahm fan but the murder problem in Chicago has nothing to do with him. He's tried to raise mandatory minimums for gun crimes and was denied because it would unfairly target minorities (African Americans) as they are the ones most often charged. He's put more police on the street, focused on the few small areas responsible for 90% of the violence etc. etc.

The argument that Rahm's raise in the mandatory/minimum sentence unfairly targeting minorities ignores the fact that in Chicago 75% of murder victims and 70% of murder offenders are African American. It makes perfect sense they are the ones most often charged. If any one person needs to be blamed it's Jesse Sr.

BTW as I stated in a previous thread the gun violence in Chicago for the most part is gang related only instead of drug dealers shooting it out over corners you now have tweeners killing over social media insults.

The 13 people that were recently shot in the park at 10:30 at night were Gangster Disciples including the family members of the 3-year old.

For the most part the murder rate in Chicago is much more of a small neighborhood problem rather than city-wide. And the majority of murders committed involve criminals killing criminals. It only becomes national news when a innocent 3-year old child, albeit a child from a family of gangsters, is a victim. And today I heard some dingbat on CNN blame the healthcare system in Chicago for the high murder rate.

And...although I know you will disagree, but he just got concealed carry shoved down his throat too

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And...although I know you will disagree, but he just got concealed carry shoved down his throat too

Meanwhile police who know who the gangbangers are and who's likely carrying can't approach or pull over w/o probable cause. Why, because the poor innocent people that live in the 'hood are misrepresented by the likes of Jesse Jax who cry racism over stop and pat and blame everything and everyone but the gangbangers for the violence.

The innocent residents (the majority) are forced to look and duck being too afraid to confront the bangers themselves. At least in 2014 they'll have the option to protect themselves and stop being forced to live as sheep among wolves.

Jesse, Bobby Rush et al need to start representing the majority of the minority and stop the damage the minority of the minority is committing. Fat chance that will ever happen as there's no walkin around money there.

[GenuineRisk]

The problem with "highest number" is that it can be very misleading, since the numbers of murders must always be compared to the population size of a city. "Per capita" is the number you want to look at to get a sense of a city's actual murder rate and, from that standpoint, Chicago doesn't even make the top 25:

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/...an-cities.html

Put another way, my current home city had over 400 murders last year, compared with my childhood city, which had 12. But believe me, I consider NYC a lot safer than Harrisburg, PA. And in fact Harrisburg rates much higher than NYC (16.1 per 1000 people, vs. 3.86 for New York City). Chicago is even lower than H'burg (15.9), and much lower than New Orleans, Detroit, Ft. Myers and Pine Bluff, AK.

GBBob makes an interesting point about whether concealed carry will affect the murder rate in Chicago- the article at the link concludes with a brief look at murders in Chicago after handgun control was passed in the early 1980s.

I'm not claiming Chicago's murder rate is cause for celebration, but it's hardly a "murder capital." It's always important to put numbers into context. No matter how much one may hate Rahm.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The problem with "highest number" is that it can be very misleading, since the numbers of murders must always be compared to the population size of a city. "Per capita" is the number you want to look at to get a sense of a city's actual murder rate and, from that standpoint, Chicago doesn't even make the top 25:

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/...an-cities.html

Put another way, my current home city had over 400 murders last year, compared with my childhood city, which had 12. But believe me, I consider NYC a lot safer than Harrisburg, PA. And in fact Harrisburg rates much higher than NYC (16.1 per 1000 people, vs. 3.86 for New York City). Chicago is even lower than H'burg (15.9), and much lower than New Orleans, Detroit, Ft. Myers and Pine Bluff, AK.

GBBob makes an interesting point about whether concealed carry will affect the murder rate in Chicago- the article at the link concludes with a brief look at murders in Chicago after handgun control was passed in the early 1980s.

I'm not claiming Chicago's murder rate is cause for celebration, but it's hardly a "murder capital." It's always important to put numbers into context. No matter how much one may hate Rahm.

You and the article cited are correct. Chicago as a whole is not a dangerous city. However wander into the wrong neighborhood and it becomes extremely dangerous.

Consider these numbers:

Englewood, a 20 square block area, with a population of 30,000, had 60 murders last year. The 30K represents just 1% of Chicago's population while the 60 murders represented 12% of its murders. 60 murders among a population of 30K transposes to a 200 per 100,000 murder rate. And if the city as a whole had the murder rate of Englewood it would have totaled 6,000 murders and not 500.

You're right, the murder rate should be considered per capita and compared to the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago, Harrisburg PA seems like a gated community with private security. You are not double or three times more likely to be a murder victim but 12.5 times if you happen to wander south down State St. past 55th Street.

As the article cited below explains, the police know who the bad guys are, it's just a shame black leaders in this city put the civil rights of the gangbangers above the civil rights of the public, preferring to form late night basketball leagues where even the 3 year-olds of the bangers can enjoy rather than instituting harsher gun penalties.

BTW Police this morning picked up two 22-year olds that are suspected in the shooting of the 13.

http://newsone.com/2020339/chicago-murders-2012/

[dellinger63]

To be fair Rahm just spoke today to implement a strategy of what he calls the four P's

Policing
Prevention
Punishment
Parenting


Ding, ding, ding we have a winner!!!

[randallscott35]

One G is a good option as well. Gelding.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

One G is a good option as well. Gelding.

eugenics. gotcha.

[dellinger63]

Well they got two, supposedly neither the shooter and pathetically one had a conviction for unlawful use of weapon in 2012. Did 60 days in a boot camp exercising and was out 2 months later. This is the norm here, even for 21-year old known gang members.

And as I write this just found out they got two more including the shooter. Stay tuned on these guy's resumes.

Let this serve as a beacon to the rest of the nation that at least in Illinois and more specifically in Cook County, enforcement and execution of existing gun laws is virtually non-existent. One thing can be said for sure, if 'Lord' Champ had received a mandatory minimum of 5 years or even 3 years, he would not have been involved in Monday night's shooting.

Meanwhile the P Stones will be laying low tonight and the Disciples will be hunting until 13 are notched off. In a need more cowbell moment Jesse will call for more midnight basketball leagues.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/2274415...riggerman.html

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

eugenics. gotcha.

Hardly.

[randallscott35]

Chemical castration is an acceptable form of punishment for repeat violent offenders and many judges have said as much.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let this serve as a beacon to the rest of the nation that at least in Illinois and more specifically in Cook County, enforcement and execution of existing gun laws is virtually non-existent. One thing can be said for sure, if 'Lord' Champ had received a mandatory minimum of 5 years or even 3 years, he would not have been involved in Monday night's shooting.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/2274415...riggerman.html

Per the Police commish briefing:

For the record 'Lord' Champ was convicted of unlawful use of a weapon by a FELON making that 60-day stint in boot camp all that more ludicrous.

The other two characters charged are Brad Jett a convicted felon and Taburi Young (the shooter) with no record of convictions but a dozen arrests.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Jesse, Bobby Rush et al need to start representing the majority of the minority and stop the damage the minority of the minority is committing. Fat chance that will ever happen as there's no walkin around money there.

As I predicted fat chance.

Black criminals killing black criminals with a black 'father of a criminal' minister and black politicians looking out for them. At least Rahm tried.

When will the African American community wake up and say we're not going to take it anymore? Until then let the killings resume!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,6598197.story

[dellinger63]

Rahmbo v. the French (and the French are right on this one!)

Mayor Rahm Emanuel tried to be diplomatic Tuesday — even as he condemned France for advising French travelers visiting Chicago to avoid the West Side and steer clear of everything south of 59th Street.

“Don’t get me started on what I think of the French . . . I don’t think that would be good,” the mayor said, doing his best to avoid an international incident.

Choosing his words carefully, Emanuel then tiptoed around the warning to travelers posted on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website and highlighted recently by the Washington Post.

The mayor noted that Chicago tourism has grown by 41 percent — thanks to visitors “from China and all over the world. ” That has moved Chicago up a notch, from 10th to ninth place among major cities. Hotel construction is also off the charts, he said.

“If people didn’t go to the West Side, they wouldn’t see Garfield Park. If people didn’t come to the South Side, they won’t see Pullman Park, which soon [will get] a national [landmark] designation,” Emanuel said.

“One of the things that makes Chicago so strong is our neighborhoods. People who come to Chicago want to see the No. 1 art museum in the world, the Art lnstitute. They want to see all the Tony Award-winning theater companies. But they also want to see the vibrancy of our neighborhoods, whether that’s Garfield Park, which is extraordinary. Whether that’s Pullman Park, which is extraordinary in the history of the United States. Whether it’s the Museum of Science & Industry. Or whether here on 95th [Street at the CTA Red Line Station] in a year from now will be one of the great world artists.”

Emanuel argued that tourists who adhere to the French government advisory and remain cloistered downtown will be “missing out on what makes Chicago so unique, which is our neighborhoods and our communities and the people [who] live in ’em.”

BTW if people came to Chicago and missed both Garfield and Pullman Park, they'd miss nothing. Everything else mentioned is downtown. Interesting he didn't mention Grant Park or Lincoln Park that are both tourist friendly.

Too bad the guy who stopped a few weeks back for directions and got his head blown off didn't get the French warning.