Beltran and HOF?

randallscott35 · #1 10-04-2013, 07:32 AM

To me he is the single best position player in post season history. That alone should put him in. People talk about players that do it on the biggest stage. He is it. His stats are incredible.

jms62 · #2 10-04-2013, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

To me he is the single best position player in post season history. That alone should put him in. People talk about players that do it on the biggest stage. He is it. His stats are incredible.

All-Time best eh.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po..._batting.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po..._batting.shtml

randallscott35 · #3 10-04-2013, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62

All-Time best eh.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po..._batting.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po..._batting.shtml

Yep. 15 homer in 156 plate appearances....he hasn't played in nearly as many playoff games as so many on that list as well. For the games he's been in. It's him.

jms62 · #4 10-04-2013, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yep. 15 homer in 156 plate appearances....he hasn't played in nearly as many playoff games as so many on that list as well. For the games he's been in. It's him.

If that is your yardstick Nelson Cruz has 14/137 and Chase Utley 7/49 (World Series). We tend to throw the term "All Time Great" around daily. In my lifetime I have witnessed very few All Time greats.

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Michael Jordan

randallscott35 · #5 10-04-2013, 09:16 AM

Overused yes, but I am saying position player in the playoffs....and you seem to be forgetting just how clutch he has been in the playoffs over a career as well.

MaTH716 · #6 10-04-2013, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62

If that is your yardstick Nelson Cruz has 14/137 and Chase Utley 7/49 (World Series). We tend to throw the term "All Time Great" around daily. In my lifetime I have witnessed very few All Time greats.

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Michael Jordan

Mariano Rivera

Payton is very close to making the list

jms62 · #7 10-04-2013, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Overused yes, but I am saying position player in the playoffs....and you seem to be forgetting just how clutch he has been in the playoffs over a career as well.

Randall I am not forgetting anything. He has been a great player for sure but to say he is all time best really with the history that baseball has? I would expect that from RockHard but not you.

jms62 · #8 10-04-2013, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Mariano Rivera

Payton is very close to making the list

I was going to put Marino Rivera but is he the best baseball player or the best relief specialist.I had a hard time on how to handle that. Best baseball player of all time in my mind is Babe Ruth because he was so much better then his peers and his stats stand up 80 years later. I don't think I can even do Football because it is such a team sport and is so dominated by the system one plays under. Look at QB's Montana and Steve Young where they all time greats or Great QB's because of the system they operated in.

randallscott35 · #9 10-04-2013, 09:24 AM

Hurtful.

jms62 · #10 10-04-2013, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Hurtful.

BustinStones. He put the hex on my Bills last night.

randallscott35 · #11 10-04-2013, 09:27 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...arlos-beltran/

"You are not alone, I am here with you."----Michael Jackson

MaTH716 · #12 10-04-2013, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62

I was going to put Marino Rivera but is he the best baseball player or the best relief specialist.I had a hard time on how to handle that. Best baseball player of all time in my mind is Babe Ruth because he was so much better then his peers and his stats stand up 80 years later. I don't think I can even do Football because it is such a team sport and is so dominated by the system one plays under. Look at QB's Montana and Steve Young where they all time greats or Great QB's because of the system they operated in.

The Babe was special cause he pitched and hit. Mariano will go down as the best closer to ever play the game.

I understand what you are saying about the QB's, but right now (system or not) Peyton is making it look easy.

randallscott35 · #13 10-12-2013, 09:06 AM

Game 1, Betran again the difference.

Cannon Shell · #14 10-12-2013, 12:26 PM

I don't know how one quantifies best player of all time in the playoffs considering that the playoffs used to just be the World Series but Beltran surely is in a class that doesn't take long to call roll. Not just his hitting but defense as well. Of course not even he could overcome the strain of wearing the orange pinstripes.