Pres. Administration Intentionally Lied

[Rupert Pupkin]

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/

[Danzig]

nothing new. they've been saying since he first made the claim that it wasn't necessarily true-especially if you're under employer offered insurance.

[dellinger63]

Saddest story I've heard so far is a 42 year old woman who had a hysterectomy in her 20's battling cancer getting cancelled because her present policy excluded maternity care. Her policy was pretty steep almost $400 a month (maybe because of cancer) but now will jump to almost $750/month.

This same woman put herself through law school while working three jobs and now has a salary above $100K making her unqualified for any subsidies.

Meanwhile the woman who works one job at McDonald's, too lazy to finish even high school needs maternity care so screw the lawyer. She's lucky someone built the road she travelled on to law school and her three jobs.

[randallscott35]

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nothing new. they've been saying since he first made the claim that it wasn't necessarily true-especially if you're under employer offered insurance.

BTW Who is 'they'? Republicans, FOX? Because the President certainly never said that and to the contrary repeated the lie, over and over.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW Who is 'they'? Republicans, FOX? Because the President certainly never said that and to the contrary repeated the lie, over and over.

He's in big trouble if NBC is now doing stories against ACA. It's all coming unravelled.......

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Saddest story I've heard so far is a 42 year old woman who had a hysterectomy in her 20's battling cancer getting cancelled because her present policy excluded maternity care. Her policy was pretty steep almost $400 a month (maybe because of cancer) but now will jump to almost $750/month.

This same woman put herself through law school while working three jobs and now has a salary above $100K making her unqualified for any subsidies.

Meanwhile the woman who works one job at McDonald's, too lazy to finish even high school needs maternity care so screw the lawyer. She's lucky someone built the road she travelled on to law school and her three jobs.

When I was in my 20's, as a thin, healthy, nonsmoker, I had to pay $300 a month for my health insurance and I was making barely $30,000 a year. Forgive me if I am not weeping for a woman earning over $100K having to pay a lower percentage of her salary towards health care than I did.

Nice straw man, or rather, straw woman, you built out of thin air there at the end. My new dog is barking from that whistle.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Nice straw man, or rather, straw woman, you built out of thin air there at the end. My new dog is barking from that whistle.

I was talking about Shaniqua Davis. She's from the Bronx NY, works at McDonald's, never more than 40 hours, is on welfare, with a one year old child and an unemployed boyfriend who barely can afford taxi rides or her cable TV.

She's no straw woman she's Shaniqua Davis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

When I was in my 20's, as a thin, healthy, nonsmoker, I had to pay $300 a month for my health insurance and I was making barely $30,000 a year. Forgive me if I am not weeping for a woman earning over $100K having to pay a lower percentage of her salary towards health care than I did.

Nice straw man, or rather, straw woman, you built out of thin air there at the end. My new dog is barking from that whistle.

goodness, what kind of coverage/deductibles?
my son is 25 and a smoker, his didn't cost nearly that much-less than $100/month.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

Will never happen. We're screwed. Just like Social Security - this mess isn't going anywhere. It will become more and more expensive and you'll receive less and less - but permanency it already has.

Thanks Democrats. Another stellar achievement.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Will never happen. We're screwed. Just like Social Security - this mess isn't going anywhere. It will become more and more expensive and you'll receive less and less - but permanency it already has.

Thanks Democrats. Another stellar achievement.

2014 will not be pretty for them.

Originally Posted by randallscott35;951330

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

2014 will not be pretty for them.

That remains to be seen. There may be more government shutdowns ahead with the opposition's bloody fingerprints left behind as evidence.

[dellinger63]

Wait till the people who worked hard, sacrificed and saved in order to buy a home in a good neighborhood because of good schools find out they are being charged for doing so in the form of higher premiums.

That's right, families who live in the suburbs of Chicago are paying more than those near the Quad cities for the same health plans. Not because of health but because of where they live.

If Obama was a stable manager for a thoroughbred operation, the horses, the ones making money for the stable would go hungry while the feral cats, mice and rats got fat. All would share the vet's attention and treatment with the hungry horses paying for the whole bill.

How long would that last?

Insurers set the premiums, not the ACA. There's nothing new about the rate differences, other than the fact that they are now visible due to the "marketplace" that was set up.

Again, when you have insurance oompanies in the healthcare construct, you have to expect that they will act to make as much money as possible.

The ACA didn't create the problem, only exposed it.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

the kind of universal coverage that SUCKS will be provided. In other words, equal access to virtually nothing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

2014 will not be pretty for them.

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

THey are horrible too, no doubt...but when obama care gets going, I'm sure those clowns will get a pass.

[Danzig]

no, they won't.

the biggest reason why the repubs tried so hard to get rid of aca with their shutdown is they don't want people to get it, get used to it, and like it, and want to keep it.
it's kind of funny...the same arguments repubs have used against obamacare are the ones that were used to fight medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance and social security-among other things.
the current health care system sucks, frankly. aca sucks too. however, we've been subsidizing others health care for years-better they have to help pay then they get 'written off' and then i pay 5 X the going rate to help pay for those with no insurance, but who got care.


all that said, i guess i'll be voting more third party candidates..or leaving ballots blank in spots.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Obama is hardly the first politician or President to have lied about something. That being said, I think this is a major lie and I think people are going to be furious about it. This was about a topic that has a direct effect on practically every American. He promised everyone that they could keep their insurance and keep their doctors. This is a total lie and he knew it was a lie.

Now millions of people are realizing that they can't keep their present insurance or doctor. This is not the kind of lie that people are going to forgive. This is not like the "I didn't have sex with that woman" lie. The Clinton lie didn't affect people's lives.

Obama is a pretty smooth talker and he can usually talk his way out of most things. But I don't see any way he can talk his way out of this lie. I think you will see his popularity numbers plummet over the next few weeks.