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Old 10-07-2006, 01:31 AM
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Henny Hughes is a single tomorrow. I was told he wasn't by GPK and Chad/Skippy/whatever his friggin name is on here told me he is a single, and I thought the same. This horse can rate and is going to get the pocket as you harness people say, I see him dusting Silver Train. I might be way off on here but I don't care about 3 year old against older, don't care about the friggin rail...All I care about is what the PP's are telling me and what I have seen. Johnny didn't ask that much last time and this horse likes Belmont also (see 2nd race of his life and BC Juv).

Two bombs that we discussed

Race 5 #5 In the Mesh (15/1 ML)

Violette on fire, Luzzi jumps aboard, hidden turf work three back, last race got taken off the turf, looks to fit the trip

Race 6 #3 Sweet Sympathy (12/1 ML)

Fired fresh at GP and hoping for much the same here, Mott doesn't push horses, and he has known who was coming to this race the whole time. Still not sure she can beat Round Pond but this horse has the figs, and if she runs back to her GP effort first out this year, she is competitive.
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:42 AM
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also got talked into Argentina, tossing her, how I got talked into that hanger is beyond me
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:43 AM
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Alright alright, tossing Silver Train is going to be a bad idea, if he beats me I am going to be real pissed. Tossing Hangentina is going to allow me to include Silver Train
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:09 AM
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Silver Train is going to vaporize him. The Train is sitting on his "A plus" race, and Hennny drew the worts possible post he could have drawn. These horses are too fast for a "pocket trip". Hes going to have to send early and fight off the pressure of Attila, War Front, and then Silver Train in that order.
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:16 AM
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Silver Train is going to vaporize him. The Train is sitting on his "A plus" race, and Hennny drew the worts possible post he could have drawn. These horses are too fast for a "pocket trip". Hes going to have to send early and fight off the pressure of Attila, War Front, and then Silver Train in that order.
Absolutely how I see the race.

Train 2-1 today? Could be if they bet HH to odds on. Train my bet of the day at 3/2+. Also a cold exacta of Train/War Front.

Will be rooting for Quay today, but I can't bet him on the carpet.
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:42 AM
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Absolutely how I see the race.

Train 2-1 today? Could be if they bet HH to odds on. Train my bet of the day at 3/2+. Also a cold exacta of Train/War Front.

Will be rooting for Quay today, but I can't bet him on the carpet.
Stud, I loved Joel's post after the Alciabades yesterday. Note all the polycrap cheerleaders lack of energy after yet another impossible horse won the "graded race". Its a joke. The best part is that none of em can come on here without looking like coward redboarders and saying the horse had any chance at all. Stands to reason if they liked the horse that they would bet the farm at 50-1 right?
Its a joke, I wouldn't bet a nickel on that garbage, and thats exactly what it is, garbage.
Geez Stud, as a business guy lemme ask you something ok? What do you think the chances are that people are getting "gifts", "no show jobs for family members", "paid vacations", " promises of future gifts or jobs", or just "flat out sums of money" for steering a contract for this garbage to one of the eurotrash conmen at 8-10 mill?
Are you kidding me?
Its gonna be just like local politics in a few years. You know, when they discover that the mayor or governor of the state awarded a large contract to a company and then two years after leaving office shows up on the board of directors in a no show job at 250 K a year at the company they awarded the contract to.
Thats really what that filth is about.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:02 AM
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Stud, I loved Joel's post after the Alciabades yesterday. Note all the polycrap cheerleaders lack of energy after yet another impossible horse won the "graded race". Its a joke. The best part is that none of em can come on here without looking like coward redboarders and saying the horse had any chance at all. Stands to reason if they liked the horse that they would bet the farm at 50-1 right?
Its a joke, I wouldn't bet a nickel on that garbage, and thats exactly what it is, garbage.
Geez Stud, as a business guy lemme ask you something ok? What do you think the chances are that people are getting "gifts", "no show jobs for family members", "paid vacations", " promises of future gifts or jobs", or just "flat out sums of money" for steering a contract for this garbage to one of the eurotrash conmen at 8-10 mill?
Are you kidding me?
Its gonna be just like local politics in a few years. You know, when they discover that the mayor or governor of the state awarded a large contract to a company and then two years after leaving office shows up on the board of directors in a no show job at 250 K a year at the company they awarded the contract to.
Thats really what that filth is about.
Well, I just cannot believe that the stuff can possibly be better than well-maintained, good old fashioned dirt. I suppose I can understand why they put it in at Turfway (weather, frozen tracks, etc,...) but just because one track wants to run in the winter offering a smorgasboard of different $5k-$10k conditioned claimers doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, even for Turfway. I mean, aside from offering people a place to run very cheap horses in very poor weather, what other purpose do the Turfway "holiday" and winter meets serve? I don't begrudge Turfway horsemen or the people who like to wager on its races, but it's just not for me.

I read a post on another thread about an increase in foot and hoof problems potentially attributed to the artificial track at Turfway ... infections and carpet burn-type symptoms. I also read that trainers are spraying their horses feet with cooking spray to lessen the impact. Crazy stuff and I would bet dollars to dimes the "carpet salesman" from Polytrack did not have a slide on carpet burn symptoms in his PowerPoint presentation.

Hard to believe that Keeneland, which runs what, 10 weeks a year, went for this.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:40 AM
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Well, I just cannot believe that the stuff can possibly be better than well-maintained, good old fashioned dirt. I suppose I can understand why they put it in at Turfway (weather, frozen tracks, etc,...) but just because one track wants to run in the winter offering a smorgasboard of different $5k-$10k conditioned claimers doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, even for Turfway. I mean, aside from offering people a place to run very cheap horses in very poor weather, what other purpose do the Turfway "holiday" and winter meets serve? I don't begrudge Turfway horsemen or the people who like to wager on its races, but it's just not for me.

I read a post on another thread about an increase in foot and hoof problems potentially attributed to the artificial track at Turfway ... infections and carpet burn-type symptoms. I also read that trainers are spraying their horses feet with cooking spray to lessen the impact. Crazy stuff and I would bet dollars to dimes the "carpet salesman" from Polytrack did not have a slide on carpet burn symptoms in his PowerPoint presentation.

Hard to believe that Keeneland, which runs what, 10 weeks a year, went for this.
Nah its not hard at all. kee has a vested financial interest in the company!!

By the way, the "carpet salesmen" also assured everyone that this stuff was a one time buy, maintenance free for life, and only needed to be harrowed twice a day.
Turfway has had to rework this stuff three times so far in a year and a half. Doesn't sound so maintenance free to me.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:43 AM
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Nah its not hard at all. kee has a vested financial interest in the company!!

By the way, the "carpet salesmen" also assured everyone that this stuff was a one time buy, maintenance free for life, and only needed to be harrowed twice a day.
Turfway has had to rework this stuff three times so far in a year and a half. Doesn't sound so maintenance free to me.
You obviously have zero concern for horse health. It sucks you aren't bright enough to handicap poly but if it saves 1 life it is worth it.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:54 AM
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You obviously have zero concern for horse health. It sucks you aren't bright enough to handicap poly but if it saves 1 life it is worth it.
Funny that we didn't have these concerns over horse health for 100 years. Little fella if you go back and read the pp's and history way before your and my time, the DRF used to have designations for slow or deep tracks.
Go back and look at the archives of histories and stakes races and you will see that many legends won grade one races in times that would be considered glacial today. Were they slower? No, they weren't.
But back then they didn't scrape tracks and pack them down. They allowed them to run a deep cushion and 4-6 inch harrowed surface.
Deep safe cushions and surfaces don't take a rocket scientist to install. Basically you need some dump trucks full of soil.
But "horse health" only became an issue at exactly the same time someone found a way to use that as a marketing tool to get rich.
You can't charge people 8-10 million to install dirt.
Why wasn't this cry for horse health so loud about 5 years ago? Know why? because noone could make money on it.
You musta loved that maiden snail whose now a huge graded winner at Keeneland yesterday huh? What a screaming laughing joke. GPK and I were laughing our asses off on the phone yesterday after the 1st race. Yeah that horse who couldnt hit theboard in three slow Monmouth grass races really looked better than the 2-5 shot. But then again she may have looked better than the stakes winner.
Its garbage, and the "best" horse doesn't win. The horse who detests the tires the least wins. Thats not racing, and its not what horses were born to do. And the funny thing is that it will only contribute to more unsound horses in the long run. Yeah, they won't break down as often and die on teh track. But how about tendons and suspensories? They end up retired or put down for insurance money anyway, or even worse. So now trainers can just keep drilling the **** out of them every 7 days seeing how fast they can possibly run. Thats really not gonna help things.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:57 AM
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Stud, I loved Joel's post after the Alciabades yesterday. Note all the polycrap cheerleaders lack of energy after yet another impossible horse won the "graded race". Its a joke. The best part is that none of em can come on here without looking like coward redboarders and saying the horse had any chance at all. Stands to reason if they liked the horse that they would bet the farm at 50-1 right?
Its a joke, I wouldn't bet a nickel on that garbage, and thats exactly what it is, garbage.
Geez Stud, as a business guy lemme ask you something ok? What do you think the chances are that people are getting "gifts", "no show jobs for family members", "paid vacations", " promises of future gifts or jobs", or just "flat out sums of money" for steering a contract for this garbage to one of the eurotrash conmen at 8-10 mill?
Are you kidding me?
Its gonna be just like local politics in a few years. You know, when they discover that the mayor or governor of the state awarded a large contract to a company and then two years after leaving office shows up on the board of directors in a no show job at 250 K a year at the company they awarded the contract to.
Thats really what that filth is about.
Dude, you need to chill out! It's 2 year old racing for godsakes...Meadow Bryte didn't exactly go off as a heavy favorite and that was at Belmont.


Congrats to anyone who had the winner in the Alcibides...awesome score.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:59 AM
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Dude, you need to chill out! It's 2 year old racing for godsakes...Meadow Bryte didn't exactly go off as a heavy favorite and that was at Belmont.


Congrats to anyone who had the winner in the Alcibides...awesome score.

He can't chill out. Missing a few marbles. Anger management issues. He could care less about horses and their health. He is a Dutrow guy. Their view is horses are just vehicles to make money. I guess they will have to find a new concoction for the poly. LOL.

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Old 10-07-2006, 09:05 AM
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Nah its not hard at all. kee has a vested financial interest in the company!!

By the way, the "carpet salesmen" also assured everyone that this stuff was a one time buy, maintenance free for life, and only needed to be harrowed twice a day.
Turfway has had to rework this stuff three times so far in a year and a half. Doesn't sound so maintenance free to me.

rather than these tracks trying to find some way to run in poor weather, they should just not run in that time of year! that's one of the problems in todays sports, no down time for the horses. run run run all year long.

also, i agree about a well maintained track being the key. oaklawn is a dirt track, and every year everyone seems happy as hell with it.
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rather than these tracks trying to find some way to run in poor weather, they should just not run in that time of year! that's one of the problems in todays sports, no down time for the horses. run run run all year long.

also, i agree about a well maintained track being the key. oaklawn is a dirt track, and every year everyone seems happy as hell with it.
I agree.

Although, there were some who couldn't stand how slow Oaklawn was playing this past year. Speed, Speed, Speed!
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:14 AM
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the ones who refused to understand, or try to, were crying about the times. everyone who paid attention benefitted!!!

i don't know how many times it was put up that times were slow due to surface, and yet the same few flung it right back out there anytime they wanted to criticize a horse who ran and won up there! like talking to a brick wall sometimes.
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:17 AM
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the ones who refused to understand, or try to, were crying about the times. everyone who paid attention benefitted!!!

i don't know how many times it was put up that times were slow due to surface, and yet the same few flung it right back out there anytime they wanted to criticize a horse who ran and won up there! like talking to a brick wall sometimes.
This is why horse racing is great. Things change and you have to use your head. The people that are smart and pay attention benefit. Instead of whining about polytrack, the smart people are studying looking for patterns. They act like their whining is going to make Keeneland change the surface.
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:02 AM
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If you toss Argentina you have no chance of hitting the pick 6, or any other multi race exotic running through her particular race.
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:07 AM
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Silver train is a great horse but henny is better. If henny fires, they are running for second. But that is why they run the race, everyone could collapse and the 3 horse could win
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