NY trainer suspended/fined

[Benny]

David Cannizzo , 3 horses overages

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...uspended-fined

[dellinger63]

Has one in the 5th at GP today.

Also good luck Chuck in the 3rd and 8th at GP. Love your jock selection.

And now he's off all his horses. Anyone know what happened to Ramsey Z?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Benny

David Cannizzo , 3 horses overages

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...uspended-fined

This is a perfect example of how there is no understanding of what's serious in terms of violations and what is innocuous.

These aren't 'overages'. Overages are minute infractions where nanogram and even picogram amounts of legal medication test above thresholds.

Darvon is a 'caine' style painkiller, illegal in the US and a Class 3 violation.

[Kasept]

Class 1 Stimulant and depressant drugs that have the highest potential to affect performance and that have no generally accepted medical use in the racing horse. Many of these agents are Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) schedule II substances. These include the following drugs and their metabolites: Opiates, opium derivatives, synthetic opioids and psychoactive drugs, amphetamines and amphetamine-like drugs as well as related drugs, including but not limited to apomorphine, nikethamide, mazindol, pemoline, and pentylenetetrazol. Though not used as therapeutic agents, all DEA Schedule 1 agents are included in Class 1 because they are potent stimulant or depressant substances with psychotropic and often habituative actions.

Class 2 Drugs that have a high potential to affect performance, but less of a potential than drugs in Class 1. These drugs are 1) not generally accepted as therapeutic agents in racing horses, or 2) they are therapeutic agents that have a high potential for abuse. Drugs in this class include: psychotropic drugs, certain nervous system and cardiovascular system stimulants, depressants, and neuromuscular blocking agents. Injectable local anesthetics are included in this class because of their high potential for abuse as nerve blocking agents.

Class 3 Drugs that may or may not have generally accepted medical use in the racing horse, but the pharmacology of which suggests less potential to affect performance than drugs in Class 2. Drugs in this class include bronchodilators, anabolic steroids and other drugs with primary effects on the autonomic nervous system, procaine, antihistamines with sedative properties and the high-ceiling diuretics.

Class 4 This class includes therapeutic medications that would be expected to have less potential to affect performance than those in Class 3. Drugs in this class includes less potent diuretics; corticosteroids; antihistamines and skeletal muscle relaxants without prominent central nervous system (CNS) effects; expectorants and mucolytics; hemostatics; cardiac glycosides and anti-arrhythmics; topical anesthetics; antidiarrheals and mild analgesics. This class also includes the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), at concentrations greater than established limits.

Class 5 This class includes those therapeutic medications for which concentration limits have been established by the racing jurisdictions as well as certain miscellaneous agents and other medications as determined by the regulatory bodies. Included specifically are agents that have very localized actions only, such as anti-ulcer drugs, and certain anti-allergic drugs. The anticoagulant drugs are also included.

[Benny]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a perfect example of how there is no understanding of what's serious in terms of violations and what is innocuous.

These aren't 'overages'. Overages are minute infractions where nanogram and even picogram amounts of legal medication test above thresholds.

Darvon is a 'caine' style painkiller, illegal in the US and a Class 3 violation.

My sincere apology for using the word overage. Have a nice holiday.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Benny

My sincere apology for using the word overage. Have a nice holiday.

Not at all. No apology needed. Just represented a chance to differentiate what's serious and what isn't. This is a serious incident that seemingly was given mild penalty. And Cannizzo's response to it was less than adequate saying he has bigger things coming up to worry about.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Class 1 Stimulant and depressant drugs that have the highest potential to affect performance and that have no generally accepted medical use in the racing horse. Many of these agents are Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) schedule II substances. These include the following drugs and their metabolites: Opiates, opium derivatives, synthetic opioids and psychoactive drugs, amphetamines and amphetamine-like drugs as well as related drugs, including but not limited to apomorphine, nikethamide, mazindol, pemoline, and pentylenetetrazol. Though not used as therapeutic agents, all DEA Schedule 1 agents are included in Class 1 because they are potent stimulant or depressant substances with psychotropic and often habituative actions.

Class 2 Drugs that have a high potential to affect performance, but less of a potential than drugs in Class 1. These drugs are 1) not generally accepted as therapeutic agents in racing horses, or 2) they are therapeutic agents that have a high potential for abuse. Drugs in this class include: psychotropic drugs, certain nervous system and cardiovascular system stimulants, depressants, and neuromuscular blocking agents. Injectable local anesthetics are included in this class because of their high potential for abuse as nerve blocking agents.

Class 3 Drugs that may or may not have generally accepted medical use in the racing horse, but the pharmacology of which suggests less potential to affect performance than drugs in Class 2. Drugs in this class include bronchodilators, anabolic steroids and other drugs with primary effects on the autonomic nervous system, procaine, antihistamines with sedative properties and the high-ceiling diuretics.

Class 4 This class includes therapeutic medications that would be expected to have less potential to affect performance than those in Class 3. Drugs in this class includes less potent diuretics; corticosteroids; antihistamines and skeletal muscle relaxants without prominent central nervous system (CNS) effects; expectorants and mucolytics; hemostatics; cardiac glycosides and anti-arrhythmics; topical anesthetics; antidiarrheals and mild analgesics. This class also includes the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), at concentrations greater than established limits.

Class 5 This class includes those therapeutic medications for which concentration limits have been established by the racing jurisdictions as well as certain miscellaneous agents and other medications as determined by the regulatory bodies. Included specifically are agents that have very localized actions only, such as anti-ulcer drugs, and certain anti-allergic drugs. The anticoagulant drugs are also included.

Thanks for posting this. My understanding of drug/medications has always been a weak spot for me. This adds some clarity.

[jnunan4759]

I haven't even heard of Darvon for about 40 years. It used to be the only pain-killer available by perscription back then short of opium or morphine. It was rough on the stomach and is definitely a narcotic. It was replaced by codied and then derivatives, which are used today.

I didn't know they even still made it.

It has no usage in horses. If a horse has injuries and/or pain, there are better things a vet can administer and you don't train or race. You work to fix the problem and get the horse back healthy.

I'm thinking he maybe thought that this drug is so old they don't test for it anymore. It's something you'd find in your grandmother's medicine cabinet.

[Gaelic Storm]

Isn't the trainer related to Jeffrey Cannizzo the Executive Director of the NY Thoroughbred Breeders Inc? When there is a positive is there ever any investigation into what happened or how it happened? I think Cannizzo said he thinks there was something that got into his barn at Saratoga because the horses stalls were next to each other. That kind of excuse seems to be used a lot. I remember someone saying they got a positive from using a certain bug spray.

[ADJMK]

Jail time instead of the usual slap on the wrist. This may have the "juicers" re-thinking their strategy.



http://www.pahomepage.com/story/d/st...BEaBRZ_aWLzBog

[Kasept]

Ostrager moves horses..
http://www.drf.com/news/ostrager-cut...-drug-positive

Embarrassed by the fact one of his horses tested positive for a banned substance, owner-breeder Barry Ostrager has terminated his relationship with trainer David Cannizzo.

[jnunan4759]

I can't remember how many trainers I've talked to over the years but I will always remember Allen Jerkens who told me "If you keep them happy and healthy they will do their best for you". Most good trainers have told me similar stuff.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

That is a fantastic idea. Please provide "your" list of questionable trainers that should not be on the show. Also, if you have the time, please give us your list questionable owners and jocks too. This will really help to keep undesirables off the show. We should not give a voice to "questionable" people.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

I'm a 'known friend' on a casual and professional basis of nearly everyone in the training community. Coast to coast. Chuck Simon and Gary Sciacca are my exceptionally close friends. No trainer makes At the Races 'float'. None.

[jnunan4759]

That was a terrible thing to say.

Especially during these holidays seasons when we seek to bring comfort and joy to each other.

How could you say something like that ?

I'd just like to take a moment send all of you warm wishes for the holidays. I'd like your 2015 to be full of exotics. Most of all, I'd like us to have fun.

Horse racing is like a drug. It's like when we breath pure oxygen. To see a great horse run a huge performance in a huge race is stunning. I just want to tell everybody about it.

I want to send that out to all of you. I love all you.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jnunan4759

That was a terrible thing to say.

Especially during these holidays seasons when we seek to bring comfort and joy to each other.

How could you say something like that ?

Bog will make you question the human condition at times.

I'm waiting for the "Track announcers that won't leave California for the Monmouth job that are gone" thread.

It wouldn't be the Holiday Season any other way.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

I missed your post informing us that Cannizzo was a "questionable trainer" before he was suspended. Can you please save us the time and point it out?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

EABOD.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

Perhaps it would be fitting if you did some volunteer work during this season of giving.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Seeing as the owner of this site and originator of the radio program is a known friend to some questionable trainers (and relies on others who have been alleged of such violations to make his radio program "float"), perhaps it would be more fitting if he separated ways with such acquaintances seeing as there is a very clear conflict of interest when reporting on said matters?

sanctimonious definition. See above quote. That was easy!