Scat sale, moss and contessa split/ashkal way

Drf is reporting the following stories:
1) Todd and JJ Pletcher(Todd's dad) have sold their interest in Scat Daddy to Michael Tabor.

2) Maggi Moss and Gary Contessa have parted company

3) Ashkal Way will not run in the Mile, he will be pointed to the Citation.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, wow, and wow. You know, when I was looking at the PP's for the Champagne I was wondering why Tabor was now listed as an owner of Scat. Makes sense now. I can't believe #2, any idea if she will be keeping horses around here? Kind of suprised the "sporty" Godolphin guys are skipping the Mile, since they could definitely run in both.

I knew about one already, suspected another would happen, and was surprised at another.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, wow, and wow. You know, when I was looking at the PP's for the Champagne I was wondering why Tabor was now listed as an owner of Scat. Makes sense now. I can't believe #2, any idea if she will be keeping horses around here? Kind of suprised the "sporty" Godolphin guys are skipping the Mile, since they could definitely run in both.

Most of Maggi's horses in NY will be going to Bruce Levine.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I knew about one already, suspected another would happen, and was surprised at another.

Havent they been trying to sell an interest in him for awhile? I heard they were offering a 1/4 of him a couple of weeks after the Sanford.
Are the others you are referring to done or are the possibilities?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Drf is reporting the following stories:
1) Todd and JJ Pletcher(Todd's dad) have sold their interest in Scat Daddy to Michael Tabor.

2) Maggi Moss and Gary Contessa have parted company

3) Ashkal Way will not run in the Mile, he will be pointed to the Citation.

Is Scatutorio maintaining his interest?

Originally Posted by philcski

Is Scatutorio maintaining his interest?

apparently, the article only said Todd and his dad sold their end.
What a nice score.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

apparently, the article only said Todd and his dad sold their end.
What a nice score.

I think they're selling out at the right time.

Good 2YO, but I don't see him being all that much down the road... however Tabor could probably use him as a stud prospect if it doesn't work out.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think they're selling out at the right time.

Good 2YO, but I don't see him being all that much down the road... however Tabor could probably use him as a stud prospect if it doesn't work out.

Actually they sold too soon. He is going to get his grade 1 win tomorrow. I suspect Pletcher had no choice here. If Tabor wants to buy from him and his father, he has to sell. I would imagine Tabor probably leaned heavily on Pletcher this week for running his horse at Keeneland and Todd keeping the horse he owned for the Champagne. Now had he won Tabor probably would not have complained, but Circular Quay needs to be Pletcher's Number 1 Priority. Tabor not only owns Circular Quay but his wife is the breeder. That loss probably did not sit well with him. It probably was Tabor's decision to run on the poly too, but the loss could not have made him happy.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Tabor is as big a proponent of Poly as any, and probably the main reason Pletcher is going to Cali. I'm sure he was at least involved in the decision to run CQ there.

I am well aware of Tabor being a big fan of poly. I think you need to read my post before you go telling me I am wrong. Read the last sentence of the post.

I probably know a little bit more than you about pricing horses, but even a fool knows a horses value goes up significantly with a grade 1 win. You don't sell the week before a grade 1 win. You might say Pletcher knows something and that is why he is selling him, but I can assure you the one person Pletcher would not rip off is Tabor. Scat Daddy will win tomorrow. Probably pretty easily unless the horse from over the pond lives up to his name.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I am well aware of Tabor being a big fan of poly. I think you need to read my post before you go telling me I am wrong. Read the last sentence of the post.

I probably know a little bit more than you about pricing horses, but even a fool knows a horses value goes up significantly with a grade 1 win. You don't sell the week before a grade 1 win. You might say Pletcher knows something and that is why he is selling him, but I can assure you the one person Pletcher would not rip off is Tabor. Scat Daddy will win tomorrow. Probably pretty easily unless the horse from over the pond lives up to his name.

And if he doesn't win, it goes down.
Stallion prospects are at a premium before being favored for a grade one win. Of course if they win it goes up, but if they don't it goes way down.
The parties most often meet in the middle, and since Tabor is a client and quite a good one, I'm sure Todd and his Dad "weren't stupid" in negotiating their deal.

Quite frankly you just had to suspect that this would happen. Tabor owns the sire, and he has many horses with Todd. I don't see this as a big story.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Actually they sold too soon. He is going to get his grade 1 win tomorrow. I suspect Pletcher had no choice here. If Tabor wants to buy from him and his father, he has to sell. I would imagine Tabor probably leaned heavily on Pletcher this week for running his horse at Keeneland and Todd keeping the horse he owned for the Champagne. Now had he won Tabor probably would not have complained, but Circular Quay needs to be Pletcher's Number 1 Priority. Tabor not only owns Circular Quay but his wife is the breeder. That loss probably did not sit well with him. It probably was Tabor's decision to run on the poly too, but the loss could not have made him happy.

He's not going to win tomorrow. This race is Nobiz's to lose.

Good grief!

I hope Contessa doesn't split with Keith Partridge ...

... where would that leave Mayan King?

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by philcski

He's not going to win tomorrow. This race is Nobiz's to lose.

A horse with one maiden win and just once race jumping into a grade 1 and it is his to lose? Remember the runner-up to Nobiz, Bullara, was a well beaten 6th next out.

While I would love to see a son of Albert the Great win, and a Tagg horse too, experience counts a ton in these two year old races. Nobiz will not have everything his way this time. It is very difficult to jump from a maiden into a grade 1, and I still want to see how Nobiz handles the gate.

Scat Daddy has been put through the fire against some very good horses. I think 8f is his limit, but I think he will make a big jump off his last race. I like Johnny V on the dirt quite a bit more than Cornelio too.

The Street Cry colt is really the big question mark in here. I would not be shocked to see Big Timer win this race.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Good grief!

I hope Contessa doesn't split with Keith Partridge ...

... where would that leave Mayan King?

Maggi is one of the coolest people you could ever hope to meet. Shes intelligent and very smart and funny. Shes also quite down to earth for a woman who is one of the leading attorneys in the whole country. She makes a lot of her own claims and decides on her own buys. Shes pretty awesome.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And if he doesn't win, it goes down.
Stallion prospects are at a premium before being favored for a grade one win. Of course if they win it goes up, but if they don't it goes way down.
The parties most often meet in the middle, and since Tabor is a client and quite a good one, I'm sure Todd and his Dad "weren't stupid" in negotiating their deal.

Actually it would only go down if he ran poorly. He already has a second in a grade 1. This horses value could only go up after tomorrow. He is too well bred. He is a Johannesburg out of a Mabee Mr. Prospector mare.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

A horse with one maiden win and just once race jumping into a grade 1 and it is his to lose? Remember the runner-up to Nobiz, Bullara, was a well beaten 6th next out.

While I would love to see a son of Albert the Great win, and a Tagg horse too, experience counts a ton in these two year old races. Nobiz will not have everything his way this time. It is very difficult to jump from a maiden into a grade 1, and I still want to see how Nobiz handles the gate.

Scat Daddy has been put through the fire against some very good horses. I think 8f is his limit, but I think he will make a big jump off his last race. I like Johnny V on the dirt quite a bit more than Cornelio too.

The Street Cry colt is really the big question mark in here. I would not be shocked to see Big Timer win this race.

Don't disagree with your sentiments, however all he needs to do is run back to the same race (he could even regress a couple lengths) and it's his. The others all need to show marked improvement.

Note that out of the same race, Pink Viper (beaten 20 lengths) came back to run 2nd to the quality Giant Chieftan in the race Bullara bombed.

Big Timer is very interesting. I could see his form transferring well (Street Cry was excellent on the dirt, after all)...

[pmayjr]

I was kinda hoping Ashkal Way would go in the Mile. He'd be at huge odds, but he's got that closing kick that would make him competitive. But whatever...

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I was kinda hoping Ashkal Way would go in the Mile. He'd be at huge odds, but he's got that closing kick that would make him competitive. But whatever...

Thats the one I was referring to when I said one shocked me. I can't believe he isnt going to run in there.

[pmayjr]

The problem was, didn't Sheik Mo have like 3 other otpions besides Ashkal for the Mile? They interview Bin Suroor after Ashkal won the Kelso, and he said he'd evaluate his options and consulte the Sheik. I guess they decided on someone else. Why not run 'em all?

It's the same with Bernardini and Discreet Cat in regards to the BC Classic... if they can both get the Classic Distance, why not run them both? If they finish 1-2 (which there's a very good chance that could happen), that would look really good for Godolphin.