How Vijay Got Into Medical School

[Rupert Pupkin]

This guy couldn't get accepted at any med schools when he told the truth about his ethnicity, which was Asian Indian-American. So he decided that he would lie and say he was African American. Then he started getting interviews everywhere and he got accepted to a school where he had already been turned down.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/mindy...edical-school/

[dellinger63]

If a man at 60 can come to the conclusion he is a woman why can't a man in his 20's not be African American?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This guy couldn't get accepted at any med schools when he told the truth about his ethnicity, which was Asian Indian-American. So he decided that he would lie and say he was African American. Then he started getting interviews everywhere and he got accepted to a school where he had already been turned down.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/mindy...edical-school/

It's inaccurate to say he was rejected at the schools as there's no evidence he applied to them previously before choosing to commit fraud. But hey, why let the pesky little details get in the way of one's personal agenda?

Read the piece I link to below, Rupert, if you can handle anything not from a right-wing source. The writer's got a bit of a potty mouth, but she includes an awful lot of details that the right-wing sources you're reading this from have opted to leave out.

http://reappropriate.co/?p=8281

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

It's inaccurate to say he was rejected at the schools as there's no evidence he applied to them previously before choosing to commit fraud. But hey, why let the pesky little details get in the way of one's personal agenda?

Read the piece I link to below, Rupert, if you can handle anything not from a right-wing source. The writer's got a bit of a potty mouth, but she includes an awful lot of details that the right-wing sources you're reading this from have opted to leave out.

http://reappropriate.co/?p=8281

There's some pesky details you neglected to include that were brought up in the comment section.

An Asian applicant with a 31Q MCAT score and a 3.1 GPA has a 17.9% chance of being accepted to med school (10.6% chance with only GPA considered)
https://www.aamc.org/download/321516...stable25-3.pdf

While an African American applicant with THE SAME MCAT score and GPA has a 74.3% chance of being accepted (25% with only GPA considered)
https://www.aamc.org/download/321514...stable25-2.pdf

This information not according to either a right or left leaning source but the Association of American Medical Colleges.

So while the author made a good point regarding the lack of a control in the 'experiment' the fact remains an African American applicant and Asian applicant with identical MCAT scores and GPA's results in the African American applicant having 4X the chance of being accepted.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

It's inaccurate to say he was rejected at the schools as there's no evidence he applied to them previously before choosing to commit fraud. But hey, why let the pesky little details get in the way of one's personal agenda?

Read the piece I link to below, Rupert, if you can handle anything not from a right-wing source. The writer's got a bit of a potty mouth, but she includes an awful lot of details that the right-wing sources you're reading this from have opted to leave out.

http://reappropriate.co/?p=8281

Did the author even read the story? It said specifically that he was turned down from SLU when he applied as Asian/Indian. Then when he used a different name and said he was black he got accepted with the exact same application.

Your article was a typical liberal piece in that it attacked the victim and tried to make him look like a real bad guy. The author was furious at Vijay because he exposed the truth about how ridiculous affirmative action is. If she wants to defend affirmative action, that is fine. She should make her case for it. But to attack this guy is silly. When you think about it, Vijay didn't really tell us anything new. He just presented us with the details of his specific story. But we already know that this goes on. Dellinger showed the statistics. There is nothing for you to dispute. You can attack the messenger but that is just a smokescreen. It doesn't change the facts about affirmative action. The statistics speak for themselves.

If you are in favor of affirmative action that is ok. You are entitled to your opinion. I don't understand why you and the author don't just say that you think it is a good thing that Vijay got accepted as a black man but not as an Asian/Indian man. Why would Vijay's story be hard to believe considering that Dellinger's statistics show that this kind of thing happens all the time?

By the way, the true opinion of you and the author makes a lot of sense. Your opinions are basically that people with dark skin should get a special break, but only people with a certain type of dark skin. That is basically what you are saying, if you believe that the current system is fine in that an Asian/Indian man should not get the special treatment but an African American man should get the special treatment.

[dellinger63]

In further examination of the AAMC tables, an African American applicant with a GPA between 2.6 and 2.79 and a MCAT score of 24-26 has a slightly better chance of being accepted to a Med School than a Asian applicant with a 3.1 GPA and 31 MCAT score.

Something one may want to consider when shopping for a doctor since the decision may come down to life or death.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In further examination of the AAMC tables, an African American applicant with a GPA between 2.6 and 2.79 and a MCAT score of 24-26 has a slightly better chance of being accepted to a Med School than a Asian applicant with a 3.1 GPA and 31 MCAT score.

Something one may want to consider when shopping for a doctor since the decision may come down to life or death.

You wouldn't want to go to a doctor who is a lousy doctor and had no business being accepted to medical school in the first place, but who got in because of a quota? How dare you!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You wouldn't want to go to a doctor who is a lousy doctor and had no business being accepted to medical school in the first place, but who got in because of a quota? How dare you!

Not sure whether GPA's and MCAT scores determine whether or not a doctor is lousy, but accepting inferior applicants over others in a field as important as healthcare seems a bit backwards.

But then again with atrocities going on like gays hypothetically being denied pizza catering at their weddings it must take a backseat for the time being

[jms62]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=circle+jerk

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=circle+jerk

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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Not sure whether GPA's and MCAT scores determine whether or not a doctor is lousy, but accepting inferior applicants over others in a field as important as healthcare seems a bit backwards.

But then again with atrocities going on like gays hypothetically being denied pizza catering at their weddings it has to take a backseat for the time being

I did not mean to imply that there aren't some really good doctors out there that didn't get great grades and didn't go to the top med schools. And I'm sure there are some lousy doctors who were excellent students and who went to the best schools. There certainly would not be a perfect correlation between how good of a student a person was and how good of a doctor they are.

There certainly wouldn't be a perfect correlation but I'm sure there is a relatively high correlation. If I knew that a certain doctor only got into medical school because of affirmative action, I would be extremely unlikely to go to that doctor. There is a small chance that I would go. The doctor would have had to have been highly recommended to me by people I really trust.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=circle+jerk

Way to stay on subject.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Way to stay on subject.

You mean the subject of negatively portraying African Americans that has been the underlying theme of many of your posts for the last decade? In the words of Harvey Pack, I'll take an 'El Paso'.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

You mean the subject of negatively portraying African Americans that has been the underlying theme of many of your posts for the last decade? In the words of Harvey Pack, I'll take an 'El Paso'.

And Asian Americans have always enjoyed the free ride? Even when they were slaving on the railroads and their brief visits in the interment camps?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And Asian Americans have always enjoyed the free ride? Even when they were slaving on the railroads and their brief visits in the interment camps?

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/54800644...ctId=541213293

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/54800644...ctId=541213293

Cerebral !!!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Cerebral !!!

Yeah I think it is idiotic also and think so every single time you do it. So ****ing typical. Not quite on par with the clown on SSI complaining about entitlement spending but in the same zip code.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yeah I think it is idiotic also and think so every single time you do it. So ****ing typical. Not quite on par with the clown on SSI complaining about entitlement spending but in the same zip code.

yeah, people got upset when they heard mitt romney talking about the 47% on the dole....and the number is correct.
but, when you point out that the number includes retirees on social security...well, that changes everything, doesn't it?
and then when people hide assets to get medicaid to pay for their nursing home, they aren't at all working the system like they accuse others of doing.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, people got upset when they heard mitt romney talking about the 47% on the dole....and the number is correct.
but, when you point out that the number includes retirees on social security...well, that changes everything, doesn't it?
and then when people hide assets to get medicaid to pay for their nursing home, they aren't at all working the system like they accuse others of doing.

Mitt Romney applied to medical school?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yeah I think it is idiotic also and think so every single time you do it. So ****ing typical. Not quite on par with the clown on SSI complaining about entitlement spending but in the same zip code.

Like calling the reporting of MCAT and GPA scores racist?