scandal brewing at mahoning valley

[tanner12oz]

Really really bad..totally criminal in my opinion

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ins-pays-22240

[Kasept]

Or, as appears to be the case according to other outfits at MVR, the groom walked the wrong horse over and the identifier missed it?

A little hard to believe that Shane Spiess, who has been training 30+ years and whose family is as ingrained in Ohio racing as the Radoseviches, would endanger his livelihood and family's reputation over the tiny money in the MVR pool.

As Tony Black discussed yesterday, wouldn't be the first time the wrong horse was brought over and missed and won't be the last.

[Danzig]

Id have to think the blame would fall on the identifier. But...i cannot believe that noone realized the horse was not a female during all the time leading up to the race.

[bare it all]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Id have to think the blame would fall on the identifier. But...i cannot believe that noone realized the horse was not a female during all the time leading up to the race.

Yeah.. there is some very telling bits on a gelding that give it away and pretty hard to miss. Whoever tightened the girth on that animal should have their eyes looked at. I get messing up a couple of plain bays or whatnot, but a filly vs a gelding kind of makes me shake my head at everyone who laid eye on that animal.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Or, as appears to be the case according to other outfits at MVR, the groom walked the wrong horse over and the identifier missed it?

A little hard to believe that Shane Spiess, who has been training 30+ years and whose family is as ingrained in Ohio racing as the Radoseviches, would endanger his livelihood and family's reputation over the tiny money in the MVR pool.

As Tony Black discussed yesterday, wouldn't be the first time the wrong horse was brought over and missed and won't be the last.

This reminds me of Captain Cronin/ Ski Robbery at Calder Race Course ( I THINK an honest mistake )

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...der-horse-race

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ix-ski-robbery

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by robfla

This reminds me of Captain Cronin/ Ski Robbery at Calder Race Course ( I THINK an honest mistake )

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...der-horse-race

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ix-ski-robbery

My Dad calls that a half-assed job....

Stewards questioned Sharp, who is supposed to check every horse in the paddock before each race. Sharp admitted, however, that he never flipped the colt`s lip to check the tattoo and match it up with the tattoo number on the colt`s foal papers.

"``I felt sure it was the right horse,`` said Sharp, an identifier he said for 32 years"

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Or, as appears to be the case according to other outfits at MVR, the groom walked the wrong horse over and the identifier missed it?

A little hard to believe that Shane Spiess, who has been training 30+ years and whose family is as ingrained in Ohio racing as the Radoseviches, would endanger his livelihood and family's reputation over the tiny money in the MVR pool.

As Tony Black discussed yesterday, wouldn't be the first time the wrong horse was brought over and missed and won't be the last.

what are the repercussions though? just seems like it happens not for the first time nor the last time and everyone moves along. bettors got fleeced, other horseman in the race got fleeced...so what now? even if it was an honest mistake it seems like these stories always fall flat on there face in like 24 hours. I surely have NO INTEREST in betting MVR at the moment and I imagine others feel the same. I just don't get it...NFL, MLB the integrity of the game is paramount and with us it seems like we are simply on autopilot 95% of the time.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by robfla

This reminds me of Captain Cronin/ Ski Robbery at Calder Race Course ( I THINK an honest mistake )

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...der-horse-race

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ix-ski-robbery

Also Dr. Peatoppy and Sun Dandy at Bowie
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-f5275095c5b7/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-acae76637925/

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

what are the repercussions though? just seems like it happens not for the first time nor the last time and everyone moves along. bettors got fleeced, other horseman in the race got fleeced...so what now? even if it was an honest mistake it seems like these stories always fall flat on there face in like 24 hours. I surely have NO INTEREST in betting MVR at the moment and I imagine others feel the same. I just don't get it...NFL, MLB the integrity of the game is paramount and with us it seems like we are simply on autopilot 95% of the time.

The integrity of the NFL is paramount? The National Football League you mean? That's hysterical. The one Roger Goodall commissions?

MLB.. This Major League Baseball? http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...104-story.html

NBA is a league, right? http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts...nt-you-to-read

FIFA? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/sp...come.html?_r=0

Olympic Organizing Committee? NCAA? What else you want?

But racing is on auto-pilot because the Identifier missed a horse in a nickel claimer at one of the most obscure tracks in the country?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by casp0555

My Dad calls that a half-assed job....

Stewards questioned Sharp, who is supposed to check every horse in the paddock before each race. Sharp admitted, however, that he never flipped the colt`s lip to check the tattoo and match it up with the tattoo number on the colt`s foal papers.

"``I felt sure it was the right horse,`` said Sharp, an identifier he said for 32 years"

Absolutely atunning admission. Thats his job. So, what so you do? Look at lip tattoos, but i dont akways look. Unreal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

what are the repercussions though? just seems like it happens not for the first time nor the last time and everyone moves along. bettors got fleeced, other horseman in the race got fleeced...so what now? even if it was an honest mistake it seems like these stories always fall flat on there face in like 24 hours. I surely have NO INTEREST in betting MVR at the moment and I imagine others feel the same. I just don't get it...NFL, MLB the integrity of the game is paramount and with us it seems like we are simply on autopilot 95% of the time.

Integrity? Hey, at least in the pps they show you if a horse is on lasix, or you know of equipment changes, etc. But integrity in the nfl?? Ha. They tell the players 30 days out before they drug test. Anyone who pops is a complete bozo who should be banned for life just for being so moronic they couldnt get clean like their teammates could
Any trophies for steves response above.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

what are the repercussions though? just seems like it happens not for the first time nor the last time and everyone moves along. bettors got fleeced, other horseman in the race got fleeced...so what now? even if it was an honest mistake it seems like these stories always fall flat on there face in like 24 hours. I surely have NO INTEREST in betting MVR at the moment and I imagine others feel the same. I just don't get it...NFL, MLB the integrity of the game is paramount and with us it seems like we are simply on autopilot 95% of the time.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[steve]

you mean, like, when Penn National builds a casino then moves a track that has been in Grove City since the 30's?

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Integrity? Hey, at least in the pps they show you if a horse is on lasix, or you know of equipment changes, etc. But integrity in the nfl?? Ha. They tell the players 30 days out before they drug test. Anyone who pops is a complete bozo who should be banned for life just for being so moronic they couldnt get clean like their teammates could
Any trophies for steves response above.

not sure if Tom Brady would agree with you...spygate..bounty gate..players get popped all the time for ped's...i just dont see anything or hear anything in terms of reprimands for racing..

ok so the identifier missed it? Honest mistake..who brought the horse out? Was it the same barn as rubys queen? How did the wrong horse end up in the paddock anyway? There is more then 1 mistake here..a chain of events unfolded.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

not sure if Tom Brady would agree with you...spygate..bounty gate..players get popped all the time for ped's...i just dont see anything or hear anything in terms of reprimands for racing..

ok so the identifier missed it? Honest mistake..who brought the horse out? Was it the same barn as rubys queen? How did the wrong horse end up in the paddock anyway? There is more then 1 mistake here..a chain of events unfolded.

Had the employee done their job of checking the tat, the chain of events wiuld have ended there.
thats why they tattoo, to prevent stuff like this....their employee got lazy, and got caught...and ought to be fired.

[tanner12oz]

Highly doubt anyone will be fired, fined or sent to the principals office

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Or, as appears to be the case according to other outfits at MVR, the groom walked the wrong horse over and the identifier missed it?

A little hard to believe that Shane Spiess, who has been training 30+ years and whose family is as ingrained in Ohio racing as the Radoseviches, would endanger his livelihood and family's reputation over the tiny money in the MVR pool.

As Tony Black discussed yesterday, wouldn't be the first time the wrong horse was brought over and missed and won't be the last.

Horse would have paid a lot less if the fix was in. There was $395 on the winner...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

Highly doubt anyone will be fired, fined or sent to the principals office

They may not, depends on what the investigation finds. If the checker does this often, assuming a horse is correct, they may well be sacked.
i think tho your cynicism is unwarranted regarding racing and integrity.

Agree, phil. This seems a case of laziness by the person not doing their job.