Poll: Brexit and Presidency

[joeydb]

Curious how this will turn out...

[Danzig]

When it is all said and done the uk will not leave the eu. The referendum they voted on was nonbinding, and is advisory. The uk govt can choose to ignore it. They have to file paperwork to actually leave the eu, and that has not been done.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Curious how this will turn out...

The reaction from UK elites to Brexit:
https://reason.com/archives/2016/06/...e-over-brexit#

which is nothing compared with what their USA counterparts would say if Trump would win in November.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by OldDog

The reaction from UK elites to Brexit:
https://reason.com/archives/2016/06/...e-over-brexit#

which is nothing compared with what their USA counterparts would say if Trump would win in November.

If Trump wins I am going to party from Tuesday night until the weekend.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

If Trump wins I am going to party from Tuesday night until the weekend.

When it comes out that Trump had one of his wifes or girlfriends get an abortion would you still vote for him?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

When it comes out that Trump had one of his wifes or girlfriends get an abortion would you still vote for him?

He has adopted (no pun intended) a pro-life position, and I am not a single issue voter.

Not going to stay home and ensure that the lefties stack the Supreme Court for 30 years.

Yes. Voting Trump.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

He has adopted (no pun intended) a pro-life position, and I am not a single issue voter.

Not going to stay home and ensure that the lefties stack the Supreme Court for 30 years.

Yes. Voting Trump.

Just trying to understand where you draw the line on completely turning your back on an issue you seem to have such passion for. So forcing a spouse or girlfriend to get an abortion is forgivable if you take a pro life position to appease your political party even though you are on record as a strong pro choice supporter. Still though anybody but Clnton for me regardless of their level of hypocrisy. Wish McCain sans Palin was an option.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

When it comes out that Trump had one of his wifes or girlfriends get an abortion would you still vote for him?

1st - That is a ludicrous, unsubstantiated, unfounded accusation.

2nd - Even if it were, say 20 years ago - are you seriously holding someone accountable for something they have since publicly rejected? People cannot find redemption any longer?

Or are you saying that there is evidence that he's "forced" someone to have an abortion while he has held this position? That would be the ONLY explanation for this *assumption of hypocrisy*.

Do tell.

[jms62]

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[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

1st - That is a ludicrous, unsubstantiated, unfounded accusation.

2nd - Even if it were, say 20 years ago - are you seriously holding someone accountable for something they have since publicly rejected? People cannot find redemption any longer?

Or are you saying that there is evidence that he's "forced" someone to have an abortion while he has held this position? That would be the ONLY explanation for this *assumption of hypocrisy*.

Do tell.

1. It was a Hypothetical question to judge Joeys conviction on abortion which he calls murder.
2. You say it is a ludicrous then why do you find it necessary to make your
second statement?

I would have expected someone with such conviction to say they would never support someone who did this.

Actually I understand your response after reading my question again. I should never have said "When it comes out" It should have been "If it comes out". my bad.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

1. It was a Hypothetical question to judge Joeys conviction on abortion which he calls murder.
2. You say it is a ludicrous then why do you find it necessary to make your
second statement?

I would have expected someone with such conviction to say they would never support someone who did this.

Actually I understand your response after reading my question again. I should never have said "When it comes out" It should have been "If it comes out". my bad.

Then the response would be the same, Jim.

I believed a lot of stuff years ago that when I look back, with a little age and experience, now see was not reality. Growing up changes folks' perspective in a lot of cases.

If you are saying that - hypothetically- he forced, coerced, or in any way had something to do with encouraging someone to get an abortion WHILE he was promoting a pro-life stance, then that would be the definition of hypocrisy.

anything outside of that scenario should have zero bearing on one's impression of him and is categorically meaningless

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Then the response would be the same, Jim.

I believed a lot of stuff years ago that when I look back, with a little age and experience, now see was not reality. Growing up changes folks' perspective in a lot of cases.

If you are saying that - hypothetically- he forced, coerced, or in any way had something to do with encouraging someone to get an abortion WHILE he was promoting a pro-life stance, then that would be the definition of hypocrisy.

anything outside of that scenario should have zero bearing on one's impression of him and is categorically meaningless

Just saw this this morning, and was going to say something similar about the hypothetical premise of the question, but your synopsis is excellent.

In addition I'd like to point out to Jim, that the election also has impacts on the murderous practice of abortion. Yes, that's what I call it because that's what it is. It is a series of actions willfully undertaken, with accomplices, that ends a human life. Period.

Generalizing: If a candidate previously in his life undertook an action that a voter today thinks is reprehensible, but has since evolved to a position where he is on the right side of the issue, and has repeatedly indicated they will act as the voter wants him to upon taking office, does the voter in good conscience support that candidate?

In other words, if Trump coerced abortion in the past, now wants to appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme court, does one stay home and not support him when Hillary will clearly stack the court with more pro-abortion Justices?

If there was not an impact for the issue of abortion, and one was a single issue voter, I see Jim's logic. But if not single-issue voter and if the effects of not supporting the candidate are worse for the issue, why would one willfully "win the battle and lose the war?"

A similar question could be asked of Bernie supporters who despise the influence of Wall Street. When Bernie drops out in the near future, can they support Hillary when she encompasses so much of what they can't stand? Speeches for fees of $675,000 a pop, given to Wall Street execs, and presumably not calling them out but being supportive of them? We won't know until transcripts are public. But those voters similarly are tested in their commitment to the cause. And just as I said above, the single-issue voters who object to Wall Street corruption should stay home, since she has in the more recent past acted in ways they find reprehensible. If they are not single-issue and they believe her newfound commitment to socialistic causes, they should support her.

When the Volstead act implemented Prohibition was first proposed, if there was a candidate known to be a recovering alcoholic who used to binge drink, a behavior the teetotaler would find repulsive, but he promised to support the Volstead Act upon his election, how should the teetotaler have voted?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Just saw this this morning, and was going to say something similar about the hypothetical premise of the question, but your synopsis is excellent.

In addition I'd like to point out to Jim, that the election also has impacts on the murderous practice of abortion. Yes, that's what I call it because that's what it is. It is a series of actions willfully undertaken, with accomplices, that ends a human life. Period.

Generalizing: If a candidate previously in his life undertook an action that a voter today thinks is reprehensible, but has since evolved to a position where he is on the right side of the issue, and has repeatedly indicated they will act as the voter wants him to upon taking office, does the voter in good conscience support that candidate?

In other words, if Trump coerced abortion in the past, now wants to appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme court, does one stay home and not support him when Hillary will clearly stack the court with more pro-abortion Justices?

If there was not an impact for the issue of abortion, and one was a single issue voter, I see Jim's logic. But if not single-issue voter and if the effects of not supporting the candidate are worse for the issue, why would one willfully "win the battle and lose the war?"

A similar question could be asked of Bernie supporters who despise the influence of Wall Street. When Bernie drops out in the near future, can they support Hillary when she encompasses so much of what they can't stand? Speeches for fees of $675,000 a pop, given to Wall Street execs, and presumably not calling them out but being supportive of them? We won't know until transcripts are public. But those voters similarly are tested in their commitment to the cause. And just as I said above, the single-issue voters who object to Wall Street corruption should stay home, since she has in the more recent past acted in ways they find reprehensible. If they are not single-issue and they believe her newfound commitment to socialistic causes, they should support her.

When the Volstead act implemented Prohibition was first proposed, if there was a candidate known to be a recovering alcoholic who used to binge drink, a behavior the teetotaler would find repulsive, but he promised to support the Volstead Act upon his election, how should the teetotaler have voted?

Makes sense.

[Danzig]

Joey, regarding wall street.
Are you unaware of or choosing to ignore that wall street has begun supporting the gop and gop candidates far more than democrats?

[Danzig]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57...b042fba1cf3248

Nice headline re arson. And love the ewan mcgregor tweet.

[richard burch]

What ever Mr. D.J.Trump wants is fine with me. I trust his judgement.

[Pants II]

Ewan McGregor has spoken!


Hey! Stop laughing! He's serious!

[Rudeboyelvis]

FTSE at it's highest level in 5 years only one short week after Brexit and the fall of mankind as we knew it.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...k-after-Brexit

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

FTSE at it's highest level in 5 years only one short week after Brexit and the fall of mankind as we knew it.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...k-after-Brexit

Biggest heist in history of mankind happened in the last week.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by jms62

Biggest heist in history of mankind happened in the last week.