Simple question

[joeydb]

Pick one...

[Danzig]

you're kidding yourself if you think all lives matter the same in this country.
so, own the fact you want to be considered superior because you're not a minority.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're kidding yourself if you think all lives matter the same in this country.
so, own the fact you want to be considered superior because you're not a minority.

There are no "facts" to "own" in your statement above. I must presume you were speaking your own thoughts since you are not speaking for me.

It was a simple question: Do all lives matter, or not? You could extend it to "Should all lives matter" if you like.

If you were to make an affirmative statement, which one if any would you choose? Which one would you want to be a guide for future events (hopefully peaceful ones)?

[Danzig]

I already put none of the above.
and of course I wasn't speaking for anyone. but it is the truth.
I think all lives matter equally. but, sadly, that is not how it is here.

[richard burch]

Trump should start using the B.L.M. movement against Clinton. they are becoming a violent organization promoted and backed up by the Clinton campaign and inner city Dems.

i cant wait for the debates and the first time he calls her CROOKED Hillary on stage. LOVE IT!!!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're kidding yourself if you think all lives matter the same in this country.
so, own the fact you want to be considered superior because you're not a minority.

Where do you live, Arkansas? I can't claim to know how things are in Arkansas. I can tell you that in California, there is no significant racism. You can go into any store or business here. There will be customers and employees of every race. Everyone gets along fine. There are no issues.

I tend to think it is the same way in most of the country. In case you didn't notice, we have a black President. I think anyone who is intellectually honest knows that if you work hard and have talent at what you do in this country, you can be successful, regardless of your race. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. I don't know a single person who is talented and is a hard worker, but just can't make it in this country because of their race. Do you know such a person?

Back in the 1960s there was real prejudice. The only thing that people like Martin Luther King wanted for black people was a fair chance. That was his dream. Today his dream has been accomplished. If he were alive today, he would be thrilled. As I type this in the year 2016, for people who live in the US, a person's race will not be an impediment to their success. In some cases, people of color actually have an advantage because of affirmative action type hiring practices in the private sector.

Am I claiming there is zero prejudice in this country? No. I'm not claiming there is zero. What I am claiming is that the amount of prejudice out there is so small that it is insignificant. As I said before, if you are talented at what you do and you work hard, your race is not going to stop you from succeeding.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I can't believe how racist this board is. There hasn't been a single vote on here for Black Lives Matter. LOL.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can't believe how racist this board is. There hasn't been a single vote on here for Black Lives Matter. LOL.

Many a truth is said in jest. [I'll now use one of my nauseating Rupert disclamers]. I don't claim to be an expert on this topic nor do I claim to be wearing the same rose colored glasses as you likewise I dont claim to be locked up in my house with Fox News and Derby Trail political forum as my only view to the real world. I also dont claim to be suffering from any CTE but if you ask my wife it may be debatable. For someone who focuses so much of their energy on racially themed postings whose conclusion is that racism in this country is at insignificant levels is a real head scratcher. If it is so insignificant than why all the energy? Why not simply post on other topics that you know absolutely ****ing nothing about? I say that with Peace and Love since by your nauseating use of disclamers you are telling us that yourself in all your postings. Racism is a huge problem and continues to be such in this country. And it isnt just whites being racisit against blacks. Try reading the comments of any article on CNN or any other news site sometimes to see that withing 5 posts it denigrates into someone hurling a racial epithet.

[OldDog]

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Where do you live, Arkansas? I can't claim to know how things are in Arkansas. I can tell you that in California, there is no significant racism. You can go into any store or business here. There will be customers and employees of every race. Everyone gets along fine. There are no issues.

I tend to think it is the same way in most of the country. In case you didn't notice, we have a black President. I think anyone who is intellectually honest knows that if you work hard and have talent at what you do in this country, you can be successful, regardless of your race. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. I don't know a single person who is talented and is a hard worker, but just can't make it in this country because of their race. Do you know such a person?

Back in the 1960s there was real prejudice. The only thing that people like Martin Luther King wanted for black people was a fair chance. That was his dream. Today his dream has been accomplished. If he were alive today, he would be thrilled. As I type this in the year 2016, for people who live in the US, a person's race will not be an impediment to their success. In some cases, people of color actually have an advantage because of affirmative action type hiring practices in the private sector.

Am I claiming there is zero prejudice in this country? No. I'm not claiming there is zero. What I am claiming is that the amount of prejudice out there is so small that it is insignificant. As I said before, if you are talented at what you do and you work hard, your race is not going to stop you from succeeding.

this is all utter bullshit

I wish you were right, tho.

[declansharbor]

Black lives matter?? Only when a white cop takes a black life (warranted or not).

Blue lives matter?? I'm going to venture a guess and say that one voter is a racist.

All lives matter?? Well, no $hit. My parents brought me up the right way. The way that makes a statement like this asinine.

Lastly, my vote, which is none of the above. The fact that any one group thinks their life 'matters' more than another is a crock of horse $hit. That alone is driving the racial tension to new highs. (Don't tell me that the BLM idiots don't think their life is more important than a cop, and don't tell me that the majority of cops don't think their life is more important than a jobless parasite, bc they do).


And Rupe -- that west coast BS that you're spewing is funny. Maybe if the left coast wasn't known for being loaded with 'fake' people, it would hold more credence.

[Danzig]

Was watching a show, and thinking.....

Many areas of the country have cut programs for mental health, rehab, etc. But that police budget? No.
So, do we have states doing the same as feds? What is our answer so often with foreign policy? A military response.
And here we are, with police given military equipment swat raids ten times what they were...you would think, based on seeing police departments with rpgs and full body armor that we live in a war zone. But our crime rates are so low. Why are they armed to the gills, when we are actually safer than ever? If we keep sending cops out like that, are we not begging for too much force to be used?when given military surplus equipment, these depts are told you have to use within a years time, or you obviously didnt need it. Which means depts are going to find a reason to use their toys, to keep their toys.
So, what if, instead of hiring more and more police, we actually put the money where it belongs?? Or are police lobbyists and military equipment lobbyists and for profit prison lobbyists too powerful to buck?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Was watching a show, and thinking.....

Many areas of the country have cut programs for mental health, rehab, etc. But that police budget? No.
So, do we have states doing the same as feds? What is our answer so often with foreign policy? A military response.
And here we are, with police given military equipment swat raids ten times what they were...you would think, based on seeing police departments with rpgs and full body armor that we live in a war zone. But our crime rates are so low. Why are they armed to the gills, when we are actually safer than ever? If we keep sending cops out like that, are we not begging for too much force to be used?when given military surplus equipment, these depts are told you have to use within a years time, or you obviously didnt need it. Which means depts are going to find a reason to use their toys, to keep their toys.
So, what if, instead of hiring more and more police, we actually put the money where it belongs?? Or are police lobbyists and military equipment lobbyists and for profit prison lobbyists too powerful to buck?

Ding Ding Ding... Follow the money. For profit prisions and those that hold a stake in them.. Think lawmakers. How much money are we wasting locking people up for victimless crimes. Crimes that we the taxpayers are on the hook paying to prosecute and penalize. Crimes that are only prosecuted to enrich stakeholders in for profit prisions. Capitalism is great but it has run amok. Greed has made us unable to see conflicts of interest Anymore.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2707601

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Many a truth is said in jest. [I'll now use one of my nauseating Rupert disclamers]. I don't claim to be an expert on this topic nor do I claim to be wearing the same rose colored glasses as you likewise I dont claim to be locked up in my house with Fox News and Derby Trail political forum as my only view to the real world. I also dont claim to be suffering from any CTE but if you ask my wife it may be debatable. For someone who focuses so much of their energy on racially themed postings whose conclusion is that racism in this country is at insignificant levels is a real head scratcher. If it is so insignificant than why all the energy? Why not simply post on other topics that you know absolutely ****ing nothing about? I say that with Peace and Love since by your nauseating use of disclamers you are telling us that yourself in all your postings. Racism is a huge problem and continues to be such in this country. And it isnt just whites being racisit against blacks. Try reading the comments of any article on CNN or any other news site sometimes to see that withing 5 posts it denigrates into someone hurling a racial epithet.

First of all, I don't watch a lot of Fox News. I do watch it sometimes. After the Dallas shooting last week, I watched plenty of Fox News and some CNN. But in general I do not watch a lot of Fox News. I read tons of news stories on-line from every viewpoint you can think of.

My opinions are always my own opinions. I never parrot anyone. I'm an original thinker and I always have been. As you know, I'm pretty much anti-hunting unless it's for food. I'm totally against hunting for sport. Did I get that from Fox News? I am actually totally in favor of trying to get the minimum wage up to $15 over the next few years. I think there is a huge problem in this country between the halves and have nots. I think raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour could make a significant impact on this issue. Did I get that from Fox News?

With regards to race, there is no contradiction with my thinking that race is not a big issue, while also being bothered by the false claims of BLM. It annoys me that this group gets all kinds of media time when their whole narrative is a lie. By the way, BLM does not speak for most black people: "Only 31 percent of black people surveyed said that the statement 'black lives matter' most closely comports to their own beliefs, compared to 64 percent who chose 'all lives matter'.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...l-lives-matter

What we have is a vocal minority (who do not speak for most black people), making all of these false claims of racism.

By the way, I definitely am an expert on the city of Los Angeles. I have lived here my whole life. I will tell you unequivocally that if you have a person of color who is intelligent and they go to law school or medical school and they do well, their race will not be a detriment to their success. Are you claiming that their race would be a detriment to their success?

With regard to your point about comment sections of articles, I agree that you will see some racism on there. And as you said, it will come from both directions. I will read some racist comments from whites and also some racist comments from blacks. By the way, calling out BLM on their bs, is not racist in the least bit in my opinion. Sometimes you will see flat out racism, such as someone calling a black person the "N" word. And you see plenty of racism from black people too. I never said that there was zero racism in this country. I said that it is minimal and it will not have a big effect on the vast majority of people's lives.

I would say the same with regard to anti-semitism in this country. I read some Jew-bashing in the comment sections of articles. There is some anti-semitism out there. But it's not a major problem. I am 3/4 Jewish by blood. What effect does it have on my life if some jackball on the internet makes some derogatory comment about Jewish people? It doesn't have any effect on my life. So to me, even though there is some anti-semitism out there, it doesn't really have a significant effect on most Jewish people.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is all utter bullshit

I wish you were right, tho.

Are you saying that most black people are subject to racism every day, most days, or rarely? Do you think that most black people are constantly being discriminated against? Do you think most black people would claim that? If not, then why do you have this opinion?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Just to be clear, I'm not claiming that groups who commit a disproportionate amount of crime will not get extra scrutiny from police. I think they will certainly get more scrutiny. For example, black people make up 23 percent of New York’s population, but they commit 75 percent of all shootings. Whites are 33 percent of the city’s population, but they commit fewer than 2 percent of all shootings. So police are obviously going to focus a lot of resources on the black community. If it gets to the point where Chinese Americans are committing 75% of shootings in New York, I'm sure they will get a huge amount of scrutiny. Whoever is committing all the crime will get the most scrutiny. And that's the way it should be. Right now virtually all terrorism is coming from Muslims. So who do you think the anti-terrorism unit of the FBI is going to focus on? They will obviously focus on Muslims. If Christians start committing most of the terrorism, I'm sure the FBI will start throwing resources in that direction.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Are you saying that most black people are subject to racism every day, most days, or rarely? Do you think that most black people are constantly being discriminated against? Do you think most black people would claim that? If not, then why do you have this opinion?

Minorities encounter racism quite often. In housing, education, dealings with law enforcement, the judicial system, banking, employment, customer service.
It is not a claim, it is a fact.
I have to say, you are the first person i have ever come across that said racism is not a problem.

[bigrun]

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by OldDog

thats so cute...

[richard burch]

Speaking of racists, how in the hell does Al Sharpton get invited to the White House?

http://www.northjersey.com/news/obam...sues-1.1629273