Scuds - Your boy Weaver

Scav · #1 10-27-2006, 11:05 PM

Straight dealing tonight

Worst possible outcome the last two years for this Cubs fan, first the White Sox and now this....Every possible religious leader hates the Cubs, I am convinced

ArlJim78 · #2 10-27-2006, 11:19 PM

Casey is the only one who showed up for the Tigers in this series.

Crown@club · #3 10-28-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Straight dealing tonight

Worst possible outcome the last two years for this Cubs fan, first the White Sox and now this....Every possible religious leader hates the Cubs, I am convinced

I badly need the Bears to win the Super Bowl now. The Cardinals torment is going hang for a few months at least.

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 10-28-2006, 03:40 PM

Weaver with the Dodgers-subpar

Weaver with the Halos-God awful

Weaver with the Cards-at 1st-God awful(I remember baby Weaver-during pregame in Anaheim, having his brother's start against the Braves be put on the jumbotron.)THE Braves ran Weaver off the reservation,and won like 17-5 or something in St. Louis.Wow,did the pitching coach in St.Louis earn his money after this,or what??? Talk about a good pitching coach...damn(friggin' alchemist.)

timmgirvan · #5 10-28-2006, 03:53 PM

Makes you wonder about the approach used by SoCal teams with their pitching stock! Props to the Cards who avoided seasonal collapse and did the little things(Eck) that cemented every win over Tigers!

pmayjr · #6 10-28-2006, 07:15 PM

Guys... remember Weaver has shown signs of Brilliance. He did in Detroit, and that's how he ended up in the Bronx. But like Kenny Rogers, the Bronx wasn't the place for him.

That first year in L.A. (w/ the Dodgers I mean) he was actually pretty good. It seems like he's an "every other year" pitcher. I was actually mad that he pitched well in the Playoffs/World Series, because he'd be a big-time sleeper for next year. Now that he's pitched well, everyone is gonna be on his nuts. Not like his brother, but he'll be on people's radar now.

I just can't wait for fantasy baseball next year when people draft "J. Weaver", they think that they're getting Jared, when they're really getting Jeff lol. OH DAMN! Na... next year he'll win 15 games and strike out over 150 barring health problems. I'll start taking bets anytime...

SCUDSBROTHER · #7 10-28-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Guys... remember Weaver has shown signs of Brilliance. He did in Detroit, and that's how he ended up in the Bronx. But like Kenny Rogers, the Bronx wasn't the place for him.

That first year in L.A. (w/ the Dodgers I mean) he was actually pretty good. It seems like he's an "every other year" pitcher. I was actually mad that he pitched well in the Playoffs/World Series, because he'd be a big-time sleeper for next year. Now that he's pitched well, everyone is gonna be on his nuts. Not like his brother, but he'll be on people's radar now.

I just can't wait for fantasy baseball next year when people draft "J. Weaver", they think that they're getting Jared, when they're really getting Jeff lol. OH DAMN! Na... next year he'll win 15 games and strike out over 150 barring health problems. I'll start taking bets anytime...

No,he was never "pretty good" for the Dodgers.He was always inconsistent,and unreliable.During the 1st couple of innings of day games,he was simply shelled.Because of guys like this,the Dodgers traded Lo Duca for what was supposed to be a good starter(Penney.)I don't know where this guy who did the Fox Broadcast of the Dodgers playoff games this year(Brenaman?) got this fictional tripe he was spewing from his mouth.He said the Dodgers were one of the top couple teams in the league(at the time of that trade.)What a complete joke that guy is.We really traded Lo Duca when we were one of the best teams in the league? We had close to no good reliable starting pitching,and that's why that trade was made.Beltre carried that team on his back despite the sht starters.Penney got hurt soon after we got him that year.It remains a miracle that the Dodgers won that division with virtually no starting pitching in the final weeks of the '94 season.It really was simply a dominating performance by one leader(Adrian Beltre)that will never be matched.

pmayjr · #8 10-29-2006, 12:53 PM

Inconsistent... no different than another Dodger- Derek Lowe. And Brad Penny for that mater. I respect any guy that could pitch for a lowly Tigers squad for a few years and pitch .500 baseball for them. That says something. Same with Suppan in St Louis. He pitched for Kansas City for so many years. On horrible squads. But he managed to be a .500 pitcher for those teams. I think that goes fairly far.

You wanna take me up on that 15 game bet scuds? I'm not rollin in the dough now, but 1 year from now I will be lol.

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 10-29-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Inconsistent... no different than another Dodger- Derek Lowe. And Brad Penny for that mater. I respect any guy that could pitch for a lowly Tigers squad for a few years and pitch .500 baseball for them. That says something. Same with Suppan in St Louis. He pitched for Kansas City for so many years. On horrible squads. But he managed to be a .500 pitcher for those teams. I think that goes fairly far.

You wanna take me up on that 15 game bet scuds? I'm not rollin in the dough now, but 1 year from now I will be lol.

Here,read the f'n box score of his wonderful start for us in the 2004 playoffs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=241007124

"Weaver gave up six runs on eight hits in 4 2-3 innings. Weaver worked around two walks in the first when he struck out Edmonds for the final out. He had another shaky inning in the second and the Cardinals capitalized, with the first run scoring on Weaver's wild pickoff throw to first.With two outs, Tony Womack hit an RBI triple off the right-field wall and Larry Walker followed with a run-scoring double just inside the first-base line for a 3-1 lead."

This is the guy I remember.Hey,all I am saying is the St. Louis ' coaching staff deserves a lot of credit for getting this guy to do what he should have been doing all along(but was too sloppy to understand,and concentrate on technique.)He cleaned up his record during garbage time of the 2nd half of last season.There was zero stress.The team was way behind in the standings.He took the Halos for a bunch of dough.He may of had a .500 type record for us,but I am telling you that he was given a situation where he should have won a bunch more games for us.Quite simply he was sloppy,and simply caught way too much of the plate.The Dodgers take a lot of heat for not winning a playoff game since God knows when,but look at guys like Weaver that were f'n gas cans starting for us in the post.Then you try and tell me he wasn't.Believe me this guy got hit,and hit,and hit.

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 10-29-2006, 10:54 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playby...l&refresh=null

Here is the exact play by play of the way he pitched for us when it really counted.This is the Weaver we knew.Not pretty.Enough of the bull****.

timmgirvan · #11 10-30-2006, 04:58 PM

Scuds: I shuddered every time it was Weavers' turn to pitch,both when a Dodger or Angel...but someone in St. Louis found the key! I dispute that Weaver padded his stats this season in the 'dog days'.....the Cards were falling like a rock and needed every inning and win that Weaver gave them! As I said before, What did the people on the Socal teams miss? or did they just give up on him too soon?

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 10-30-2006, 05:46 PM

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Scuds: I shuddered every time it was Weavers' turn to pitch,both when a Dodger or Angel...but someone in St. Louis found the key! I dispute that Weaver padded his stats this season in the 'dog days'.....the Cards were falling like a rock and needed every inning and win that Weaver gave them! As I said before, What did the people on the Socal teams miss? or did they just give up on him too soon?

Maybe he hit bottom,and started doing what guys had been telling him to work on for a long time.Timm,do you remember this guy's temper ? Not exactly the easiest guy to teach a new trick.Hey,all I know is the guy was getting way to much of the plate,and simply kept doing that.I saw one of those old pitches from him in his start in Detroit.Somebody put that one out in a hurry.I am not surprised that Dodgers couldn't get him to stop throwing fat pitches.I would think the Halos could have turned him around though.Surprised Black or others couldn't get him turned around before he basically torched the Halos season with 10 or so losses.

timmgirvan · #13 10-30-2006, 06:09 PM

True story....am eagerly awaiting movements of players...most of them in Dec and Jan. Now if we could just get Fox to do Something with their lead team...that would be great! I think that there will be alot of action this offseason.