Classic Empire wins on wrong lead

[Secretriat34]

CE wins the AD on the wrong lead.

is the right lead the foot that was sore
does it matter

[Secretriat34]

I am not sure what it means..it is NOT a good thing thats for sure.

Does it mean his right foot hurts ?...was the right one the injured one.

also, if he got 9f on the wrong lead will he have the right lead in Louisville for the tenth furlong.

what do you think ?

[NTamm1215]

He swapped leads very late, more than likely because he was tired.

I am glad he's now earned his way back into the race, but I'd never bet him at 9/2 or so.

[Indian Charlie]

Do you think by switching leads he took weight off of that suspect foot?

[Cpt.Bodgit]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He swapped leads very late, more than likely because he was tired.

I am glad he's now earned his way back into the race, but I'd never bet him at 9/2 or so.

could it be he was tired because it was his first race back and not that he can't handle the distance?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He swapped leads very late, more than likely because he was tired.

I am glad he's now earned his way back into the race, but I'd never bet him at 9/2 or so.

I'd much rather key Gunnevera & Lookin at Lee ( if he makes the gate ) in the 2nd-4th slots of the superfecta than I would key Classic Empire in the top 4 slots.

Even if it 'chalks out' this year, you're getting paaaaaaiiiid like Mr Shickadance was promised by Ace.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Do you think by switching leads he took weight off of that suspect foot?

there is the concept of the Memory of the pain that may have caused him to mis-run..on the wrong lead

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

CE wins the AD on the wrong lead.

is the right lead the foot that was sore
does it matter

I think you are a little bit confused. Classic Empire switched back to his left lead about 3 seconds before the wire. That is not the same as a horse who didn't switch leads. You will sometimes see a horse who does not switch leads and stays on his left lead all the way down the stretch. That is a very bad sign. That is not what happened in this case. Classic Empire switched leads perfectly at the top of the stretch. He was on his right lead all the way down the stretch but switched back to his left lead right before the finish line. That's not that big of a deal. As NTamm said, it was most likely because the horse got a little bit tired.

There have been plenty of good horses over the years who switch back to their left lead in deep stretch. Funny Cide comes to mind. He switched back to his left lead in deep stretch in both his Ky Derby and Preakness wins.

[Secretriat34]

Confusion is my best friend

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think you are a little bit confused. Classic Empire switched back to his left lead about 3 seconds before the wire. That is not the same as a horse who didn't switch leads. You will sometimes see a horse who does not switch leads and stays on his left lead all the way down the stretch. That is a very bad sign. That is not what happened in this case. Classic Empire switched leads perfectly at the top of the stretch. He was on his right lead all the way down the stretch but switched back to his left lead right before the finish line. That's not that big of a deal. As NTamm said, it was most likely because the horse got a little bit tired.

There have been plenty of good horses over the years who switch back to their left lead in deep stretch. Funny Cide comes to mind. He switched back to his left lead in deep stretch in both his Ky Derby and Preakness wins.

I think Funny Cide had a little trouble in both the Holy Bull and the Wood, but don't recall him switching leads in any of his preps. I could well be wrong, but I don't recall that.

For me, a horse that's switching leads in the stretch (Everyone sees things a little differently, I saw him beginning to switch at the 1/16th pole, not 3 seconds before the wire), after sitting off a respectable but certainly not quick pace, going a mile 1 1/8 three weeks before the Derby - has conditioning and/or distance issues that one race isn't going to fix. He was life and death to catch Conquest Mo Money (who's not even going to contest the Derby and is point to the Preakness).

No thanks, especially at the price he's going to go to post at...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I think Funny Cide had a little trouble in both the Holy Bull and the Wood, but don't recall him switching leads in any of his preps. I could well be wrong, but I don't recall that.

For me, a horse that's switching leads in the stretch (Everyone sees things a little differently, I saw him beginning to switch at the 1/16th pole, not 3 seconds before the wire), after sitting off a respectable but certainly not quick pace, going a mile 1 1/8 three weeks before the Derby - has conditioning and/or distance issues that one race isn't going to fix. He was life and death to catch Conquest Mo Money (who's not even going to contest the Derby and is point to the Preakness).

No thanks, especially at the price he's going to go to post at...

I don't remember whether Funny Cide switched back to his left lead in any of the preps. I just remember him doing it in both the Ky Derby and Preakness.

With regard to Classic Empire, I would tend to agree with you. Assuming he was getting a little tired in the Arkansas Derby, that does not bode too well for him going 1 1/4 miles just 3 weeks later. Considering that he will be a relatively short price, I would probably be looking elsewhere.