Clearly there was no intention to come over?

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Not sure I agree

Sar Race 10, watch the race. Should be the race queued up on the page, if not just click race 10 on the 27th.

https://www.nyra.com/saratoga/racing/replays#

I have absolutely no clue how Maggie Wolfendale says that the horse spooked and came over and the rider did not make the move himself. If that is what Ortiz said to her then he is full of it. You see the rider look over, not once but twice cause he wanted to be on the part of the track Andy says you needed to be on this weekend. He then says I am going while not in the clear and cuts off the other horse which could have been catastrophic but thankfully no one was hurt.

Man, you can hurt someone with that move.

This is a situation where the riders need to police themselves cause that was silly.

[ateamstupid]

Interesting that of all the times Irad has been caught wide going into the first turn in his career, this would be the time he decides to try to murder someone. Couldn't have been the horse freaking out, which is painfully evident if you watch her strides, it must've been that Irad suddenly became the most dangerous rider in America. I say ban him for life.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Interesting that of all the times Irad has been caught wide going into the first turn in his career, this would be the time he decides to try to murder someone. Couldn't have been the horse freaking out, which is painfully evident if you watch her strides, it must've been that Irad suddenly became the most dangerous rider in America. I say ban him for life.

lol, lil overkill there. He seems inside alot to me, and I have seen him push his way out, saw it earlier in the card I believe on another CB horse.

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and then we have Drayden Van Dyke heard over 5 paths, and would have been ok if he had not bumped a horse off stride, DQ in the stake at Del Mar.

Then we have a rider not ride out a two year old for Baffert who was 2/5 and the betting public gets shafted as he was nailed on the wire.

Interesting day.

[Seattleallstar]

is there any video of the Nero race, it seems to be the front runner for worse ride of the year by what everyone is saying

[Seattleallstar]

nevermind I found it and will watch

[Seattleallstar]

I don't think it was a horrible ride by Garcia, but I can't tell if Garcia shut him down early of if Nero pulled himself up after he drew away initially in the stretch

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

is there any video of the Nero race, it seems to be the front runner for worse ride of the year by what everyone is saying

its pretty bad, he never asked the hose really from the 1/8th pole then wrapped up on him when only a length so clear

i mean if you were a conspiracy theorist you would say the horse was pulled in some kind of scheme.

[Seattleallstar]

i just can't tell if he shut it down too early or if Nero pulled himself up

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

i just can't tell if he shut it down too early or if Nero pulled himself up

wouldnt you shake the reigns or show him the whip if he was doing that. He could have been 4 clear if he wanted, he was so over confident when he was only a little bit ahead...guess we will see if he is on him next time.

[Seattleallstar]

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wouldnt you shake the reigns or show him the whip if he was doing that. He could have been 4 clear if he wanted, he was so over confident when he was only a little bit ahead...guess we will see if he is on him next time.

good point, remember Martin Garcia rode American P in his maiden race too which was a loss but I don't think he was to blame that time.

Probably will see Smith, or Espinoza on next

[ateamstupid]

I see we've reached "jockeys are all devious crooks" hour. Must've been a bad day.

Garcia was overconfident and he won't be on the horse next time. He also amazingly didn't see a horse closing from 15 lengths behind up the rail. It was a great ride by Kent on a nice runner to beat him by a nose. And the horse did him no favors when he stopped to a gallop suddenly. I have a hard time believing Baffert or Coolmore is as apoplectic about it as the internet is.

[Indian Charlie]

Clearly the jockey MOVED the horse over. You can see it plain as day.

If I was a steward, I'd give him a six month suspension. I have no patience for that kind of riding.

The people that bet that horse got screwed though.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I see we've reached "jockeys are all devious crooks" hour. Must've been a bad day.

. I have a hard time believing Baffert or Coolmore is as apoplectic about it as the internet is.

lol, man, your comment....yea baffert does not get upset at all with riders, he is very calm, a regular Mandella clone.

how about protecting the betting public? Dude should at least get 7 for that ride, cant have that happen, not with the shape this sport is in.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

how about protecting the betting public? Dude should at least get 7 for that ride, cant have that happen, not with the shape this sport is in.

I'm all for that. Just stop with the tinfoil hat stuff.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm all for that. Just stop with the tinfoil hat stuff.

What is tinfoil about it? There's no question that in other jurisdictions both Irad and Garcia would absolutely have the book thrown at them and then some. With the example of Irad, if he can do something like that 10 times and maybe get DQ'ed once with no or a small suspension, you can damn well bet he's going to continue riding that way.

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Originally Posted by Kitan

What is tinfoil about it? There's no question that in other jurisdictions both Irad and Garcia would absolutely have the book thrown at them and then some. With the example of Irad, if he can do something like that 10 times and maybe get DQ'ed once with no or a small suspension, you can damn well bet he's going to continue riding that way.

I think you nailed it with the comment many riders will do what they can as long as they get away with it.

Under the guise of "did it cost a horse a placing" has allowed for a lot of latitude by the riders since the stewards dont dq a horse unless that standard has been met. I would prefer there still be a stiff penalty even if a horse is not dq'd.

In terms of hearding, I am fine with it as long as two things do not happen, you do not take the other horse off the path they are on and you dont bump them.

I would also be a fan of a "foul is a foul" dq...this would clean things up right quick.

careless riding can get people hurt. I made a post about another rider I thought was dangerous in socal, so this isnt some kind of vendetta.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Kitan

What is tinfoil about it? There's no question that in other jurisdictions both Irad and Garcia would absolutely have the book thrown at them and then some. With the example of Irad, if he can do something like that 10 times and maybe get DQ'ed once with no or a small suspension, you can damn well bet he's going to continue riding that way.

The tinfoil part is pretending you can read the jockey's mind and laying out the absolute most cynical interpretation imaginable as fact. Saying that Irad was trying to hurt people and Garcia was stiffing his horse. Just disgraceful and embarrassing, coming from people who have probably never been on a horse in their lives.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The tinfoil part is pretending you can read the jockey's mind and laying out the absolute most cynical interpretation imaginable as fact. Saying that Irad was trying to hurt people and Garcia was stiffing his horse. Just disgraceful and embarrassing, coming from people who have probably never been on a horse in their lives.

Who said he was "trying" as intentionally trying to take down Davis...his move was careless and could have resulted, it was intentional that he was trying to get onto the rail.

Who said Garcia was stiffing the horse, I said you need to ride your horses out so it does not look suspicious to the many casual fans that watch these races.

read rather than set up straw man arguments.

I have worked with better horses than most, that much I am sure of.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who said he was "trying" as intentionally trying to take down Davis...his move was careless and could have resulted, it was intentional that he was trying to get onto the rail.

Who said Garcia was stiffing the horse, I said you need to ride your horses out so it does not look suspicious to the many casual fans that watch these races.

read rather than set up straw man arguments.

I have worked with better horses than most, that much I am sure of.

Cute. Your insinuations were that Irad was willing to take Davis down just to get over to the rail (completely dismissing out of hand the horse freaking out, which is laughably apparent from the head-on) and that Garcia was more than just overconfident and may have "pulled the horse in some kind of scheme." Real brave to insinuate those things, then back off and pretend you're just playing devil's advocate. Again, embarrassing, and something that only the anonymity of the internet would allow.