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11-03-2006, 01:25 PM
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Ted Haggard
I'm not judging this guy and only post this for informative purposes.
I'd be receptive of others' opinions as I haven't yet formed my own. What do you think of this? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/us...rtner=homepage 
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11-03-2006, 01:33 PM
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As is my usual mo in cases like this (or any case where there are accusations of wrongdoing)...I will wait for the evidence and presume nothing until then! Speaking in generalities...I feel that many so-called leaders of the religious right preach an impossible standard that they themselves fall far short of meeting...and that is hypocrisy! The Bakers, Swaggert, Oral Roberts...even Billy Graham have been found wanting when held to the standards they preach! I think that is understandable and when I am perfect, I'll start casting stones BUT...you can't spend your life looking down on the sins of others unless you are without sin yourself!
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"Always be yourself...unless you suck!"
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11-03-2006, 01:43 PM
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I think homosexuality is completely, utterly, normal and I think it's a crying shame that some people buy so completely into what their religious leaders think that they spiral into incredible self-hatred and wind up perpetuating the hate they themselves fear.
But it's tough-- Moses and Paul are both pretty clear about homosexuality, unless one is really loose with the translations of those verses, but then, Jesus himself never said anything about it (I don't know the Koran well enough to know how it is addressed in Islam, though fundamentalist Moslems and Christians seem to hold the exact same position on homosexuality-- who says there's no common ground?). If you're religious and also gay-- not an easy place to be. But hey, I think it's normal. And if this latest scandal exhausts the gay-bashing wing of the fundamentalists for a while, then good. We can all do with a little less hatred.
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11-03-2006, 02:14 PM
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Somer Frost and Genuine Risk,
Thanks for your input. I know that Jesus didn't condemn the woman that was brought before Him. He said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone." So, nor will I cast a stone at Ted Haggard. In my view, government should have no involvement with determining who one choses to love. The irony of this situation amazes. It is written, "All things will be revealed." And so they continue to be.... DTS
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11-03-2006, 03:08 PM
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well, after reading the article....i'd hate to have such charges levelled at me, and unless and until there is absolute PROOF, than no way should anyone level any accusations, or condemn this man.
put yourself in his shoes--what if this guy Jones (and his credibility would absolutely be questionable) said this about you? what if it was false, that he is indeed attacking this guy due to his stance about same sex marriage? of course anyone who puts themself out there as an absolutely moral person, almost a 'saint', they have a very difficult row to hoe, as any mis-step can lead to just this type of situation. very often you find the truth lies somewhere between one mans accusal, and the other mans rebuttal. my take personally--any behavior between consenting ADULTS is no one else's business but their's!!!
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11-03-2006, 03:32 PM
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11-03-2006, 04:02 PM
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just read an update (within last hour) that haggard 'fessed up to buying meth, and receiving a massage.
buying meth is between him, his wife and the cops i suppose--altho there is a constitutional right regarding self-incrimination.... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/...allegations_35 hey, if it worked for bill 'i smoked marijuana but didn't inhale' clinton, than i guess you can buy 'i bought it but threw it away'....
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11-03-2006, 05:56 PM
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I'm not really sure to make of this.
Is it about Foley's take on "no child's behind left un-tried"? Or is it that the gays that are opposed to "gay marriage" got caught with their pants down and their drug buy (remember "war on drugs?). This is just too confusing. Is Geddbya gay too? Cheney has already shown that he's reckless with his "gun". Maybe the "right wingers" can explain. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6430392
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11-03-2006, 05:59 PM
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If there is a bad story about a Christian or a republican, DTS thinks it is newsworthy. But if it's a bad story about a democrat, then DTS attacks the messenger. It's comical. By the way, I do think this story is newsworthy and I think that Haggard's behavior is an embarassment.
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11-03-2006, 06:05 PM
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11-03-2006, 06:07 PM
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I asked for an explanation. You are very confused. I don't think Haggard is a Muslim. Post a link if you can substantiate. Is he a democrat? Post another link. Is it on Drudge report? Do I create the news? Do you really think so? Well, if you pm me and mail me a check to the address I'll provide, I'll certainly move any mountain you ask me to, cure all of your diseases, and have food fall out of the sky to feed you. Just keep believing. Money orders only, please. Give as big as you ask for. I'll provide the address. NOW! Everyone raise your hands before you fall to your knees and then start digging for your wallet. PRAISE to the Pharisees!
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11-03-2006, 06:08 PM
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Just because a guy is gay, it doesn't mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage. LOL.
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11-03-2006, 06:12 PM
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this is what happens when someone sets themself up on an incredibly high pedestal, the fall from grace is that much more spectacular.
but as they say, those who are the most homophobic, the most outspoken against gays, many times have homosexual tendencies--and the struggle against their feelings fuels their hatred--and is often times self-hatred. thing is, when it comes down to it, it's no one's business but his and his wifes. but of course you'd expect a preacher to live up to what he preaches, but the world has its fair share of hypocrites. he judged others, now i suppose it's his turn.
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11-03-2006, 06:14 PM
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oh, good point! hell, lots of heterosexuals are very much against marriage!!
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11-03-2006, 06:15 PM
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11-03-2006, 06:22 PM
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11-03-2006, 06:27 PM
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This is a murky area..but I'll trudge on in....I believe this man was elected to the pedestal,and I think the second line is a reach...the world is full of people that hate themselves because their looks aren't just so,or life has not been kind....young people(and old)substituting drugs and sex and booze to take the 'edge' off reality as they see it! The mode of destruction is a choice,just look at our friend Kent. Ethics are seen as outdated,and for the simple-minded. I don't know of this mans' personal demons,but the whole thing is a mess for all involved.
Last edited by timmgirvan : 11-03-2006 at 06:30 PM.
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11-03-2006, 06:29 PM
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11-03-2006, 06:34 PM
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I really have nothing against gay people. They deserve the same rights as everyone. The problem that I have with all of this is that if it hypocrites are found by their own admissions, then they deserve their own consequences. I'll pray for Haggert's wife and five kids. I'll also include my position on this entire mess, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Obviously, Rupert didn't read Esther 7:9, 10. The very gallows that he prepared for Mordechai were the ones that he was hanged from. The irony, whether it was Foley's protecting children from internet porn, or Haggert's position with the 30 million evangelicals he lead in his crusade against gay marriage, or Gdubb's attempt to impose "democracy" on people that he invaded..wasted countless lives, many maimed, and an occupation that is doomed despite all claims of "victory", staying the course, "flexibility"... on and on... These times are crazy. Those "straw men" that became compost are only that. Some continue to believe in them. For sure, they're entitled to that. Just do me a favor. Spare me the gallows that I didn't construct for others to be hanged from. DTS
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