Something I have never seen- can anyone explain?

pweizer · #1 11-12-2006, 09:28 AM

Yesterday at Laurel, there was a horse in the 8th race who raced with no shoes. I have never seen this before and wonder why anyone would do this? I can't imagine it is very comfortable for the horse.

Any ideas?

Paul

Rileyoriley · #2 11-12-2006, 12:20 PM

Turf or dirt race?

pweizer · #3 11-12-2006, 12:41 PM

It was a dirt race (maiden Special weight) going one mile. And I am talking no shoes at all, front or back.

Paul

Rileyoriley · #4 11-12-2006, 12:44 PM

He must have fantastic feet. It would actually be more comfortable and natural to run without shoes. Who is he out of?

Rileyoriley · #5 11-12-2006, 12:46 PM

The trainer must have felt the track was safe enough to run on with no shoes as well.

philcski · #6 11-12-2006, 12:55 PM

My girlfriend's horse (a racing-retired T-bred) never wears shoes, he's just got fantastic feet. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think this is more common in europe than the US.

Rileyoriley · #7 11-12-2006, 01:02 PM

I don't know about Europe but it's not that common here. What was the horse's name yesterday? Deb

pweizer · #8 11-12-2006, 04:00 PM

The horse's name is Quiet Search. He is trained by John M. Myers and was bred in Kentucky by Francis Hill Myers.

Paul

Rileyoriley · #9 11-12-2006, 06:16 PM

Thanks. I see he finished last. Curious if next time he'll still be shoeless. If you follow the Laurel meet, would you watch for him please and let me know? Thanks, Deb

Sightseek · #10 11-12-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Thanks. I see he finished last. Curious if next time he'll still be shoeless. If you follow the Laurel meet, would you watch for him please and let me know? Thanks, Deb

Sorry to get off topic, but your dog is beautiful.

Rileyoriley · #11 11-12-2006, 06:54 PM

Thank you. He's an 11 year old Alaskan Malamute. His registered name is "Demon's Begone" but we call him Damien. He's a 90lb fool. Deb

paisjpq · #12 11-12-2006, 07:06 PM

Paul...there are many reason's why a horse might NEED to go barefoot, and then there are the reasons why an owner or trainer might WANT the horse barefoot...I wouldn't want to speculate on this particular horse. But there is a very popular method of trimming horse's feet right now to closely resemble a 'wild' horse foot...I'm not a fan--but many others are.
If a horse has good feet, there is no reason why it can't go barefoot, most TB's don't have good feet IMO and that's probably why it's not seen very often. There is a barn in England that is very big in to going barefoot...check the links on the site below.
http://www.thehorseshoof.com/barefootperf_race.html

Cajungator26 · #13 11-12-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

Paul...there are many reason's why a horse might NEED to go barefoot, and then there are the reasons why an owner or trainer might WANT the horse barefoot...I wouldn't want to speculate on this particular horse. But there is a very popular method of trimming horse's feet right now to closely resemble a 'wild' horse foot...I'm not a fan--but many others are.
If a horse has good feet, there is no reason why it can't go barefoot, most TB's don't have good feet IMO and that's probably why it's not seen very often. There is a barn in England that is very big in to going barefoot...check the links on the site below.
http://www.thehorseshoof.com/barefootperf_race.html

Good info, Bethani... I'm not so sure I'm a fan of the glue on shoes that BD uses, either. What are your thoughts on those?

paisjpq · #14 11-12-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Good info, Bethani... I'm not so sure I'm a fan of the glue on shoes that BD uses, either. What are your thoughts on those?

whatever works for a particular horse is okay with me...if the glue on's keep him sound great. One of my best friend's is a farrier who does a lot of corrective work--he's always b*tching about what a pain they are but for some horses it's the only thing that they can tolerate

Rileyoriley · #15 11-12-2006, 07:17 PM

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

Cajungator26 · #16 11-12-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either, but I'm not familiar with glue ons. I've only heard that if they come off, they can really mess up a hoof, but I guess that's typical with most shoes.

Rileyoriley · #17 11-12-2006, 07:23 PM

I just read the article on barefoot horses. Maybe they're trying to grow out Brother Derek's hoof so they can run him barefoot. I emailed the article to the equine vet I work for so I'll let you know what he says. Deb

paisjpq · #18 11-12-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

Cajungator26 · #19 11-12-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

Thanks for posting that link... very interesting. It looks like a tough job for sure!

Cannon Shell · #20 11-12-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

I never knew how good my blacksmith was until I read this. We've used glue ons for 10 years without any of the above problems. But I wont tell him because he already charges too much.