The Next Act

[Downthestretch55]

Here is Seymour Hersh's recent article, "The Next Act".
If you take the time to read it, you might find some interesting information.
Also, click on the comments. Both sides there.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15679.htm

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here is Seymour Hersh's recent article, "The Next Act".
If you take the time to read it, you might find some interesting information.
Also, click on the comments. Both sides there.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15679.htm

DTS: It was a informative article, and I appreciate the post. After reading the article,I read almost all of the comments(most of which could have come from DU) I'm actually looking at you as a quasi-moderate,judging by the amount of shrieking diatribes you must wade through to post on DT. Appreciate the effort

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here is Seymour Hersh's recent article, "The Next Act".
If you take the time to read it, you might find some interesting information.
Also, click on the comments. Both sides there.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15679.htm

interesting and terrifying all at once.

it seems impossble to me, intuitively, that an administration so bogged down by poor military planning could even conceiveably muster up a straight face long enough to begin another conflict.

the part that rang the most true was the portion in which Hersh discusses how a very limited strike may actually do Iran more favors than it would do us and could further alienate us from anyone who still likes us (or at least pretends to!) in that area.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: It was a informative article, and I appreciate the post. After reading the article,I read almost all of the comments(most of which could have come from DU) I'm actually looking at you as a quasi-moderate,judging by the amount of shrieking diatribes you must wade through to post on DT. Appreciate the effort

Well, thanks Timm. I really have no agenda as I'd like folks to make up their own minds. Sure, I'd love it if "peace" broke out half as much as "war", but only informed people can make those distinctions.

Lately, I've been reading a lot about the questions that surround the collapse of WTC Building 7. Talk about interesting!
That building had no smoke, wasn't hit by a plane, and was separated from WTC 1+2 by WTC 6.
I haven't made up my mind yet as the more I read about WTC 7, the more questions. Google it.

[Downthestretch55]

Timm,
Here's a link to WTC 7. No I'm not a "consiracy theorist"...yet.
Let me know what you think.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Timm,
Here's a link to WTC 7. No I'm not a "consiracy theorist"...yet.
Let me know what you think.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

DTS: It surely seems that the fuel in the building could have caused it to act much the same as the damage to Twin Towers. And the debris that travelled 335ft....we can't imagine the force of the blast(saw a tornado movie last nite) so anythings' possble. But how can anyone link the planes and the aftermath(like dominoes). That's a real stretch, and the ramifications of anything other than what's visible is too much to think about for very long!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: It surely seems that the fuel in the building could have caused it to act much the same as the damage to Twin Towers. And the debris that travelled 335ft....we can't imagine the force of the blast(saw a tornado movie last nite) so anythings' possble. But how can anyone link the planes and the aftermath(like dominoes). That's a real stretch, and the ramifications of anything other than what's visible is too much to think about for very long!

Timm,
As I said above, I still have lots of questions. I won't even get into the ones that had "put" orders (short) on United Airlines and United. Some people made serious money.
Here's a list of the tenants of WTC 7. Note the owner. He had purchased the long term lease only a few weeks before. Silverstein Properties still ahs many questions surrounding their transactions, past and present.
Here are the WTC 7 tenants. Scroll down.
See the notable ones, SEC, US Secret Service, IRS, Mayor's Office of Emegency Management...and others.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/elitewatch_7wtc.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Timm,
As I said above, I still have lots of questions. I won't even get into the ones that had "put" orders (short) on United Airlines and United. Some people made serious money.
Here's a list of the tenants of WTC 7. Note the owner. He had purchased the long term lease only a few weeks before. Silverstein Properties still ahs many questions surrounding their transactions, past and present.
Here are the WTC 7 tenants. Scroll down.
See the notable ones, SEC, US Secret Service, IRS, Mayor's Office of Emegency Management...and others.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/elitewatch_7wtc.html

I could totally "buy-in" to a 2 pronged attack on New Yorks' financial and govt. facilities, if that is what you're suggesting. That would mean that we're dealing with a more complete and sinister force that previously believed.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I could totally "buy-in" to a 2 pronged attack on New Yorks' financial and govt. facilities, if that is what you're suggesting. That would mean that we're dealing with a more complete and sinister force that previously believed.

Timm,
Again, I'm not saying I've made up my mind on this. All I can say is that many questions remain, even after Kean's 911 Commission report (the "official one). We might have seen the crime of the century.
Plenty of others are asking questions. The "investigation" was hardly thorough. Oh, and if you get a chance, take a look at who served on the "commission".

[Downthestretch55]

Timm,
Here's the summary version. Note, the vice-chair, Hamilton, is the same guy that is now working with Baker to devise an exit strategy for the mess in Iraq.
If you go to page 34 and read the last paragraph, you might find more than you might want to know about what this is really about.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/execsummary.pdf

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Timm,
Here's the summary version. Note, the vice-chair, Hamilton, is the same guy that is now working with Baker to devise an exit strategy for the mess in Iraq.
If you go to page 34 and read the last paragraph, you might find more than you might want to know about what this is really about.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/execsummary.pdf

DTS: I really think you're overthinking this link. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE A BOATLOAD FULL OF EXPERTS TO DRAW FROM ON THIS ONE. Sorry about caps. I thought that the last paragraph was straightforward,considering it was to be the final statement of the commission. How does that tie into what happened 4yrs prior? If you think it was a "homeland job", I just cannot believe it. You'd have to sew it up pretty tight to sell me on that one.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: I really think you're overthinking this link. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE A BOATLOAD FULL OF EXPERTS TO DRAW FROM ON THIS ONE. Sorry about caps. I thought that the last paragraph was straightforward,considering it was to be the final statement of the commission. How does that tie into what happened 4yrs prior? If you think it was a "homeland job", I just cannot believe it. You'd have to sew it up pretty tight to sell me on that one.

Timm,
I haven't "sewn" anything up. That's why I keep asking questions.
I'm not the only one. Here are some valid questions put forth by the families of the victims of the 9-11 tragedy. They remain unanswered.
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Timm,
I haven't "sewn" anything up. That's why I keep asking questions.
I'm not the only one. Here are some valid questions put forth by the families of the victims of the 9-11 tragedy. They remain unanswered.
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

DTS: what I said was....you WOULD have to sew it up,not that you have done so. I'll take time(in a few) to read the link

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: what I said was....you WOULD have to sew it up,not that you have done so. I'll take time(in a few) to read the link

timm,
This is a very recent court order regarding the evacuation of the bin Laden family members, and members of the Saudi royal family.
Guess who Cheney visited today? UMMMM...
You can read it.
The dots will be connected sooner or later. Many people are on to this now.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0611/S00361.htm

[timmgirvan]

DTS: so what do you think? I believe that Cheney is in S.A. to talk about the possible influence of Saudis to Iraq situation. Pull out your "magic pencil" and connect the dots for me. They could've moved the bin Laden and Saudis' so that they wouldn't be slaughtered in the streets by civilians after 9/11

[Downthestretch55]

Timm,
I must confess that I'm digging to find a more accurate picture than the one that has been presented.
Here's an interesting "time line".
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...e_911_timeline

You might want to scroll down to 1988 and see where the money came from to bail George W Bush out of his failed business ventures.

Since this is a horse racing board, maybe some will remember a horse named War Emblem. Baffert bought a 90% share for a Saudi prince named Salman.
A year later, the prince died of a "heart attack" at the age of 44.
I've been searching for the autopsy report, but I'm unable to find it at this time.

And, yes, I'm "dumping" links here on this board. It saves me time searching back through "favorites" so that my "research" can continue. It makes it easier for me to find.
Enjoy the threads. Halliburton and Brown, Kellogg & Root will be coming soon.

Anyone know the "story" about War Emblem...besides the "chips"?
Feel free to add whatever you know. Links appreciated.

[timmgirvan]

DTS: Well...it's gonna make a hell of a book when it comes out!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: so what do you think? I believe that Cheney is in S.A. to talk about the possible influence of Saudis to Iraq situation. Pull out your "magic pencil" and connect the dots for me. They could've moved the bin Laden and Saudis' so that they wouldn't be slaughtered in the streets by civilians after 9/11

Timm,
Like you, I have no "inside information" about the discussion between Cheney and King Abdullah that transpired today.
I can speculate that the main reason was either to prepare them for US withdrawl and admission of failure, attempting to gain support to talk to Sadr so as to "put out the fire", or perhaps forge some kind of cobbled alliance between Syria, Jordan and maybe Egypt. I won't know until the "official" report is reported in the press. Even then, I'll have my doubts.
Do you know which international company supplies oil pumping technology and pipeline supplies? Clue...read about the company that Cheney was the former CEO and still holds considerable stock. Nothing would amaze me.

As far as moving the bin Laden family and the Sauds out of the country, seems to me they could have stayed either in their hotel rooms for a few days or gone to Crawford for a month or two. Most folks didn't even know they were here in the states until after they were rushed out.
Why do you think they were?

[timmgirvan]

I pretty much gave a reason..only conjecture on my part. However...about Halliburton..they were(and still are) the company with the most sophistictated and high tech equipment available in the world and probably the best at R&D. So I think the connection to Cheney, and any ulterior motives is far fetched at best. Of course, we could always take out that rat bast**d Al Saydr and things would clear up considerably!!

[Downthestretch55]

Timm,
As you might know, "Deep Throat" (later revealed) advised Woodward and Bernstein to "follow the money" during the Watergate days.
I've been looking. Especially interesting is the as yet unidentified, and unclaimed money that was made on the "put" orders on American and United Airlines. This transaction could easily be found if the SEC would only reveal the trader. Is protection to the identity being provided by higher powers?
Your guess is as good as mine.
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot....-you-need.html
And, yes, it will be quite a book.