Yet ANOTHER Jump Start wins

I touted this sire the goods earlier this year.
Whats that 20 winners so far on a book that included few if any big name mares?
Hes sure as hell gonna get the mares this year!!!

He was the best deal to be had for an incoming freshman stallion in some time. He originally retired at 5k but could be had for 3.5k his first year. He was oversubscribed at that price and has steadily went up.

He's a hell of a sexy piece of flesh in person other than that one scary ankle.

He was obviously talented and proved it on the track before the injury...

And pedigree wise, he's got everything going for him. He hails to the great Claiborne family and bluehen Lea Lane who is responsible for such standouts as Southern Halo, Leallah, Miswaki, Eternity Star, ect.

The family can produce a top stallion...

Originally Posted by Balletto

He was the best deal to be had for an incoming freshman stallion in some time. He originally retired at 5k but could be had for 3.5k his first year. He was oversubscribed at that price and has steadily went up.

He's a hell of a sexy piece of flesh in person other than that one scary ankle.

He was obviously talented and proved it on the track before the injury...

And pedigree wise, he's got everything going for him. He hails to the great Claiborne family and bluehen Lea Lane who is responsible for such standouts as Southern Halo, Leallah, Miswaki, Eternity Star, ect.

The family can produce a top stallion...

Imagine the upgrade his book gets this year?

And deservedly so... you know, at this point, certain parellels to how Storm Cat started off for the same connections. I'll tell you whats even better, most the foals I saw by him looked like they would be better 3yo's. The fact they're doing good at 2 is that much more reassuring about his future and theirs.

[blackthroatedwind]

It will all just be staving off the inevitable at Overbrook!

[sumitas]

he retired due to some serious injuries. he is crossed to Secretariat, which is not a good idea although crossing Secretariat seems to be in vogue now. still, if one avoids any more Secretariats in a mating he holds some appeal.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Balletto

He was the best deal to be had for an incoming freshman stallion in some time. He originally retired at 5k but could be had for 3.5k his first year. He was oversubscribed at that price and has steadily went up.

He's a hell of a sexy piece of flesh in person other than that one scary ankle.

He was obviously talented and proved it on the track before the injury...

And pedigree wise, he's got everything going for him. He hails to the great Claiborne family and bluehen Lea Lane who is responsible for such standouts as Southern Halo, Leallah, Miswaki, Eternity Star, ect.

The family can produce a top stallion...

Balletto, Do you go to any of the two-year old sales in Florida? If you go to any of the sales in February and March, it gives you a good idea of who the hot new sire may be. I knew that Orientate would have a good year because his 2 year olds looked so good at the sales. By the same token, practically all the babies by Budha did not look very good. Granted the sample is not that big, but if you get to watch 10-15 horses work who are by the same sire, that gives you a decent sample. With Orientate, I must have watched at least 15 of his 2 year olds work at the sales in February and March and at least half of them could really run. With some of the other sires, it was more like 10%.

Originally Posted by sumitas

he retired due to some serious injuries. he is crossed to Secretariat, which is not a good idea although crossing Secretariat seems to be in vogue now. still, if one avoids any more Secretariats in a mating he holds some appeal.

I his size probably played a factor in it as well. I believe the same thing with most the Unbridled's... big horses who may be fast and talented at 2, doesnt mean they should be rushed just because they "can".

You know, my mare Natalie Beach is inbred to Somethingroyal 5sx3d. I was thinking of crossing her back over for another RF to Maria's Mon to pick up more High Voltage, instead of going for another Somethingroyal.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Balletto, Do you go to any of the two-year old sales in Florida? If you go to any of the sales in February and March, it gives you a good idea of who the hot new sire may be. I knew that Orientate would have a good year because his 2 year olds looked so good at the sales. By the same token, practically all the babies by Budha did not look very good. Granted the sample is not that big, but if you get to watch 10-15 horses work who are by one sire, that gives you a decent sample. With Orientate, I must have watched at least 15 of his 2 year olds work at the sales in February and March and at least half of them could really run. With some of the other sires, it was more like 10%.

I've never been to a 2yo sale. Funny enough though, I go through the cats for my brother and father and talked up a Monarchos filly in one of the Florida sales. They looked at her, didnt like her and passed. She RNA'd. Two months later, she was the stakes winner Fifth Avenue.

Honestly, my relationship to the sport has always been through my father until very recently. And I focus more on broodmares although I do have a share with my brother in a Meadowlake we are thinking of pinhooking as a two year old.

[sumitas]

Shining Forever would make for an intriguing mating with Jump Start.

Brings in both Somethingroyal and High Voltage... but isnt that a mare? She's/He's listed as such on pedigreequery.

[sumitas]

High Voltage is a G1W mare...

Originally Posted by sumitas

High Voltage is a G1W mare...

Yes, I know. And a 2-year-old champion. She's my mare's 4th dam. I was speaking about Shining Forever... she's listed as a filly. Is that correct? I guess the mention of crossing well threw me.

[sumitas]

she's a mare with a great ped

Originally Posted by sumitas

she's a mare with a great ped

Alright, got ya. She def has an interesting pedigree. Lord Avie isnt exciting to me, but her lines are great. She looked like a hard knocking type.

I tried to pm you but its not an option... can you email? My email is listed... I want to ask you a question about a hypo mating.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Balletto, Do you go to any of the two-year old sales in Florida? If you go to any of the sales in February and March, it gives you a good idea of who the hot new sire may be. I knew that Orientate would have a good year because his 2 year olds looked so good at the sales. By the same token, practically all the babies by Budha did not look very good. Granted the sample is not that big, but if you get to watch 10-15 horses work who are by the same sire, that gives you a decent sample. With Orientate, I must have watched at least 15 of his 2 year olds work at the sales in February and March and at least half of them could really run. With some of the other sires, it was more like 10%.

I remember seeing the weanling photos of Orientate's foals in Blood Horse and absolutely loving them, I like stallions that stamp themselves into the foal, to me they all seemed to have great laid back shoulders, well set necks and substantial hips, almost more like Quarter Horse foals.

[sumitas]

with JS i would actually have a list of don'ts...don't cross Secretariat or a Mr Propspector; don't inbreed to much...JS biggest problem was his soundness and you have to breed around that.

Originally Posted by sumitas

with JS i would actually have a list of don'ts...don't cross Secretariat or a Mr Propspector; don't inbreed to much...JS biggest problem was his soundness and you have to breed around that.

You are a very ignorant person.
Jump Start was not "unsound".
he was run into the ground when he was obviously hurting.
What is it exactly that you do know?
It sure isn't anything even remotely related to racing, thats for damn sure.

Originally Posted by sumitas

with JS i would actually have a list of don'ts...don't cross Secretariat or a Mr Propspector; don't inbreed to much...JS biggest problem was his soundness and you have to breed around that.

Lemme guess, you are a NY breeder and went to one of those "noble steeds" who stand here and weren't bright enough to go to Jump Start for 10 grand and have one on the ground or in the belly who is worth a hell of a lot more than that right?
Nah, you don't want be burdened with things like making a wise decision and profiting from it, so you instead preach to crickets chirping that a sire who stood for 10 grand who has 18 winners already in his first crop despite going to a less than stellar book of mares actually isn't a smashing success.
Lemme guess, you went to Tomorrows Cat and whoever is standing out in Unadilla these days right?

[sumitas]

that's ur opinion. i'm entitled to mine dude. so get bent.

it would be good to give JS some more Latroienne.