Venue for March 29

[Digger]

Thinking of combining Oaklawn and Gulfstream stake races.

GP
Grade 1
$1,000,000
Florida Derby
3YO
1 1/8m
Dirt
Kentucky Derby Points
GP
Grade 2
$250,000
Gulfstream Park Oaks
3YO F
1 1/16m
Dirt
Kentucky Oaks Points
GP
Grade 3
$200,000
Pan American
4YO & Up
1 1/2m
Turf
GP
$150,000
Cutler Bay
3YO
7 1/2f
Turf
GP
$150,000
Sanibel Island
3YO F
7 1/2f
Turf
GP
$150,000
Sir Shackleton
4YO & Up
7 1/2f
Dirt
GP
$150,000
Appleton
4YO & Up
1m
Turf
GP
Grade 3
$150,000
Ghostzapper
4YO & Up
1 1/16m
Dirt
GP
$150,000
Sand Springs
4YO & Up
1 1/16m
Turf
GP
Grade 3
$150,000
Orchid
4YO & Up F&M
1 1/2m
Turf

OP
Grade 1
$1,500,000
Arkansas Derby
3YO
1 1/8m
Dirt
Kentucky Derby Points
OP
Grade 2
$750,000
Fantasy
3YO F
1 1/16m
Dirt
Kentucky Oaks Points
OP
Grade 3
$500,000
Oaklawn Mile
4YO & Up
1m
Dirt
OP
$250,000
Matron
4YO & Up F&M
6f
Dirt
OP
$145,000
Eclipse
4YO & Up
6f
Dirt
OP
$145,000
American Pharoah
4YO & Up
1 1/16m
Dirt

[cal828]

I'll vote for that, but not sure how you intend to combine them. There are 10 at Gulf and 6 at Oaklawn. Maybe all the Gulf and a one or two at Oaklawn like the Arkansas Derby and the Fantasy or maybe just the Arkansas Derby?

[JolyB]

I like your concept, but that's a mighty ambitious contest card you've presented. I think I count 10 stakes races from GP and another 6 from Oaklawn.

What would you think about paring it down a little by eliminating some of the races that are called stakes races but are more like overnight handicaps with enhanced purses, such as the Army Mule and Cutler Bay at Gulfstream and the Eclipse Overnight and the American Pharoah Overnight at Oaklawn?

I won't be available again until late tomorrow evening so won't be able to join in any discussion. I'll post the threads tomorrow night with whatever combination you finally decide.

[Digger]

Oaklawn Park...
Race 6 Matron S. 3:04
Race 8 Oaklawn Mile S. 4:17
Race 10 Eclipse Overnight S. 5:32
Race 11 American Pharoah Overnight S. 6:12
Race 12 Fantasy S. 7:02
Race 13 Arkansas Derby 7:48

Gulfstream Park...
Race 3 Cutler Bay S. 12:28
Race 4 Orchid S. 12:57
Race 6 Pan American S. 1:56
Race 7 Ghostzapper S. 2:26
Race 9 Gulfstream Park Oaks 3:31
Race 10 Sanibel Island S. 4:06
Race 11 Army Mule S. 4:40
Race 12 Sand Springs S. 5:15
Race 13 Appleton S. 5:57
Race 14 Florida Derby 6:42

JolyB, I combined them all.

[cal828]

I think the Arkansas Derby is Race 13, but I could be mistaken.

[RUFFIAN]

ARKANSAS DERBY = R13

I do not envy you making this decision Digger
Glad it’s you and not m
I’m having a tough time deciding on my own contest format ��

[JolyB]

That's a full dance card, but since you're willing to score that many races, that's what I'll post.

Out of respect for Real Quiet, with that many races on the card, I'm going to limit the ROI to only the races on our contest card. That should give everyone enough options.

[cal828]

I am so glad I no longer play in the points contest. I don't know whether I could finish handicapping by Saturday. That said, I do appreciate Digger's willingness to play the Arkansas Derby races along with the Florida races. Hard to say whether any of them will have anything to say about the Kentucky Derby, but we all know, they could.

[Real Quiet]

After doing the Oaklawn card yesterday I saw Digger edited his race choices. That does not make me a happy camper.

[Real Quiet]

And 16 races is way too many for me. I am out of this weeks point contest.

[RUFFIAN]

😾😿😾 Tiz A Shame
That 2 Tracks Have Awesome Cards On Sane Day

[JolyB]

It is still possible to watch, bet on and enjoy parts of two great cards without making them the subject of our contest.

I'm playing the points contest but frankly didn't have time to do anything close to an adequate job of handicapping all of those races.