Latent Heat

#1 12-26-2006, 07:21 PM

Looks like if he can stretch hes gonna be a big player this year.

Rupert Pupkin · #2 12-26-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Looks like if he can stretch hes gonna be a big player this year.

Frankel called it. A month ago, he said he would win the Malibu with Latent Heat.

#3 12-26-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Frankel called it. A month ago, he said he would win the Malibu with Latent Heat.

Yeah I remember that and hes not a guy whose real prone to using strong words like that. Hes generally pessimistic an guarded in his pre race comments and I should have bet the horse just on his words.
he only showed similiar bravado in stating he would win the Oaks with Flute, and the Florida derby with Empire Maker. Both lived up to his pre race billing.
Frankel obviously knows his horses.

#4 12-26-2006, 07:57 PM

I'm sick as a dog right now. I left him out of the pick 4 and had 3 out of 4.

I think i'm gonna throw up.

Gander · #5 12-26-2006, 08:49 PM

I remember somebody saying that Frankel guarnteed a win in this race a month ago if Latent Heat started. That was the only if in Frankel's mind.

Well done and a brave proclamtation by BF, and an even better ride by Prado.

Gander · #6 12-26-2006, 08:55 PM

I agree. Hes the best when their is big money and status on the line.
I have had lot of luck with him through the years.
I think he was on Song and a Prayer when I nailed him at 17/1 in the Fountain of Youth.

Samarta · #7 12-26-2006, 08:59 PM

Nice ride by Prado as usual, guy seems like he never beats himself...unlike GG who was brutal on Brother Derek. Looked like he was full of run and Gomez damn near killed him coming home. I realize he eventually had no place to go, but in that field, he's got to do something besides get caught on the rail. Finally had to check him so hard he had no shot. Brutal imo.

GinaIsWild · #8 12-26-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

Nice ride by Prado as usual, guy seems like he never beats himself...unlike GG who was brutal on Brother Derek. Looked like he was full of run and Gomez damn near killed him coming home. Finally had to check him so hard he had no shot. I thought it was an awful ride.

Another example of why Garret Gomez will be heading to the hall of fame.

Rupert Pupkin · #9 12-26-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

Nice ride by Prado as usual, guy seems like he never beats himself...unlike GG who was brutal on Brother Derek. Looked like he was full of run and Gomez damn near killed him coming home. I realize he eventually had no place to go, but in that field, he's got to do something besides get caught on the rail. Finally had to check him so hard he had no shot. Brutal imo.

Stuff like that happens sometimes. Unless you go 6 wide in every race, you will occasioanlly get into trouble. It doesn' matter how good the jockey is, it will still happen ocassionally. It happens far less to the good jockeys than the bad jockeys. When was the last time Gomez got into that kind of trouble? I bet it hasn't happened in months. I'll take Gomez every time over anyone else. He'll blow one every few months, but he more than makes up for it with all of his great rides. He's one of the only guys that can move a horse way up.

Samarta · #10 12-26-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Stuff like that happens sometimes. Unless you go 6 wide in every race, you will occasioanlly get into trouble. It doesn' matter how good the jockey is, it will still happen ocassionally. It happens far less to the good jockeys than the bad jockeys. When was the last time Gomez got into that kind of trouble? I bet it hasn't happened in months. I'll take Gomez every time over anyone else. He'll blow one every few months, but he more than makes up for it with all of his great rides. He's one of the only guys that can move a horse way up.

Oh i'm in no way saying he's not talented. Results speak for themselves. But he's gotta know at that distance and coming out of the 3 hole (i think), that either he has to be up on the pace or outside. I think it he could have won today with a good trip.

2Hot4TV · #11 12-26-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

Nice ride by Prado as usual, guy seems like he never beats himself...unlike GG who was brutal on Brother Derek. Looked like he was full of run and Gomez damn near killed him coming home. I realize he eventually had no place to go, but in that field, he's got to do something besides get caught on the rail. Finally had to check him so hard he had no shot. Brutal imo.

Prado had the luxury of a horse with tactical speed and the outside post. I bet him and agree his ride was a winner.

blackthroatedwind · #12 12-26-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Stuff like that happens sometimes. Unless you go 6 wide in every race, you will occasioanlly get into trouble. It doesn' matter how good the jockey is, it will still happen ocassionally. It happens far less to the good jockeys than the bad jockeys. When was the last time Gomez got into that kind of trouble? I bet it hasn't happened in months. I'll take Gomez every time over anyone else. He'll blow one every few months, but he more than makes up for it with all of his great rides. He's one of the only guys that can move a horse way up.

This was a monumentally bad ride by Gomez. Look, he wasn't winning regardless, and maybe he wasn't even getting a piece, but you don't ride every horse the same. Jamming 2-1 favorites inside in 12 horse fields is not the way you are supposed to ride. In a case like this you make sure you are in the clear so that if and when you lose it is because you weren't good enough. Gomez rode Brother Derek with no confidence and completely buried him.

Latent Heat, on the other hand, had tactical speed, made a perfect trip for himself and won like the nice horse he is. It will be interesting to see if Frankel stretches him out, and if so, how he does. I guess at this point the Met Mile has to be a goal. Good horse. Good trainer. Hope he races him.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 12-26-2006, 10:46 PM

Well,this is not new.This is the same problem(to me,it's the only problem) he has had in the last year.I have only seen it happen on favorites(like this one today.)He got away with it on FETE on 12-10 at HWD RACE 4.He got very lucky that day(it could have gone differently.)What is happening is a 50:50 situation.He usually hesitates at the wrong moment.A horse then blocks his front.The rail blocks his left.He does not respond with action.It doesn't take long for the other jocks to seal him in to his left.Just like today,the jocks in front slow the pace down(today a 45 half mile for horses that easily can go 44.) The horse to his outside does not go up and go by the leaders(no, they stay put to keep the target horse locked in.) The race becomes a 1 or 2 furlong rush to the wire(because the horses in front part of the field have done no running yet.)It's a combination of factors that allow it to play out this way(probably of prime importance was Garcia taking back incredibly on Da Stoops.)Then,Court didn't sprint clear.He also tried to lollygag.This was perfect for Prado(who seems to be best in the world at getting a horse to sprint after running slowly in the 1st part of a race.)You would have to think he would do very well in the "sit and sprint" races in Europe.Believe me,this is not the 1st time Prado was part of sealing a Gomez favorite in along the rail(evidently it won't be the last.)Garrett is a fantastic rider,but he does have a flaw.If you don't play him on the favorite,I don't think you'll ever have any trouble with this "stuck on the rail" problem.You can probably avoid it by avoiding him on inside chalk(inside 3 posts.)The guy seems to be riding very well until these inside chalk situations arise.A lot of it is that he is somewhat a victim of his own success.Jocks are looking to get him stuck,and especially if he is on the chalk(the other jocks know he hesitates,and they quickly know what to do.)

SCUDSBROTHER · #14 12-26-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can someone translate this for me?

She's touched in some way.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 12-27-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

if u can't figure it out that's your loss

A Loss????

King Glorious · #16 12-28-2006, 03:28 AM

Simply put, Brother Derek is the 2006 version of Lion Heart (2004) and Bellamy Road (2005). All three are horses that had/have good route speed but not the turn of foot necessary to get it done in top level sprints. They can put up good final times when allowed to control the pace but they don't have the speed to run 21 and change, 44...........the kind of pace it takes to lead in these kinds of races. Brother Derek has never shown that he can win against winners without having the lead. He was totally out of his element here. He'll be a threat in his next race only if his trainer finds another small field with little pace that he can dominate on the front end again.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #17 12-28-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I remember that and hes not a guy whose real prone to using strong words like that. Hes generally pessimistic an guarded in his pre race comments and I should have bet the horse just on his words.
he only showed similiar bravado in stating he would win the Oaks with Flute, and the Florida derby with Empire Maker. Both lived up to his pre race billing.
Frankel obviously knows his horses.

i like frankel and bailey both, lol but both were wrong in saying empire faker would win the tc