bushes new iraq policy

Danzig · #1 01-08-2007, 08:48 AM

been reading the goings on, listening to the tv, some (many?) are suggesting:
1-a big shake up in his team.
2-that he's only trying to hold onto what we've got, and in two years turn this mess over to his successor.

so many disappointments already with this admin, it would only be that much worse if they can't finish what they've started, and leave it for others to finish. or at least try to finish.
never seems to be an end in sight.

Danzig · #2 01-08-2007, 11:04 AM

bush is supposed to announce his new plan wednesday.

when i read the latest article this am, the first thought that came to my mind was public education.

send in more troops (teachers) send more money...
didn't work for education, will it work in iraq?

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 01-09-2007, 01:56 PM

You can't tame these savages.We should be spending this money on security measures that will keep them out of our country(not worrying about whether they are gunna kill each other.)Believe me,the Dems couldn't have won that election by themselves.This idiot piss'n away 3000 American lives in Iraq is what cost him both houses of Congress.Twenty thousand more troops going in there would do nothing good,and it would simply be a slap in the face of the American People (who voted to do the exact opposite.) The guy even lost f'n Montana.Is the guy just too damn slow to realize why that took place?

randallscott35 · #4 01-09-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You can't tame these savages.We should be spending this money on security measures that will keep them out of our country(not worrying about whether they are gunna kill each other.)Believe me,the Dems couldn't have won that election by themselves.This idiot piss'n away 3000 American lives in Iraq is what cost him both houses of Congress.Twenty thousand more troops going in there would do nothing good,and it would simply be a slap in the face of the American People (who voted to do the exact opposite.) The guy even lost f'n Montana.Is the guy just too damn slow to realize why that took place?

Ding ding ding. Places in the world that historically are this unstable have dictators for a reason, b/c they need them.

#5 01-09-2007, 02:13 PM

Here's a snippet of his speech tonight...

"I listen to Generals...I don't do anything with the information...but I listen. And ...listenin' is important. Amurrcans need a listener. I'm the listener."

GenuineRisk · #6 01-09-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You can't tame these savages.We should be spending this money on security measures that will keep them out of our country(not worrying about whether they are gunna kill each other.)Believe me,the Dems couldn't have won that election by themselves.This idiot piss'n away 3000 American lives in Iraq is what cost him both houses of Congress.Twenty thousand more troops going in there would do nothing good,and it would simply be a slap in the face of the American People (who voted to do the exact opposite.) The guy even lost f'n Montana.Is the guy just too damn slow to realize why that took place?

I thought the reason Bush took the fight to Iraq was so it wouldn't come here? Isn't that what he's been selling, 'scuse me, telling us the past 4 years?

Scuds, the only thing consistent about Bush is his refusal to take advice that contradicts what he thinks God is telling him to do. Don't count on him caring one way or another what the American people want. He answers to a "higher father," after all. And the 2004 election results were his mandate, as far as he's concerned. You or I, I assume, would be less likely to take a 51% victory as a mandate, but hey, what do I know?

Danzig, I hope to be proved wrong, but I think he's going to keep doing what he's been doing and then pass the whole mess off to a successor (who, I fear, will be blamed for "losing the war"). Check out his record in the business world prior to him going into politics.

Danzig · #7 01-09-2007, 04:02 PM

i think you're right about bush and his plans the next two years on this war, as well as the almost forgotten war in afganistan.

as for him hearing all these directions from above....like i've said before, how do you argue with that?! you can't, and that's the problem. guy thinks he can do no wrong, he has a direct line. crazy.

when asa hutchison was running for governor here in ark, they interviewed his wife. she said asa was running because god told him to--why? god wanted him to run and lose?? she also said god told them to move to d.c.--she cried and cried, but knew it was what god wanted. that's just not my thing. to me, that's a heck of a way to shed any responsibility! hey, i didn't want to--but god did.

i always thought it took the ultimate ego to believe stuff like that. i personally think god has bigger things to worry about then what job i decide to take, or whether i decide to move to another city. i mean, there are people STARVING--isn't it kind of cheeky to bug god over minor stuff????

Downthestretch55 · #8 01-09-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Here's a snippet of his speech tonight...

"I listen to Generals...I don't do anything with the information...but I listen. And ...listenin' is important. Amurrcans need a listener. I'm the listener."

Pillow,
You know, he's listening. I know I will be on Wed. at 9:00 pm. He's the listener, he's the decider, and, between you and me, i'm convinced that he's as sane as I am.
On a side note, I still haven't heard from anyone about my leg shaving strategies nor about how to bring "fullness" to my newly arrived cheerleading outfit. I tried tennis balls but they made me look like I'd gotten inplants. Then I tried billiard balls, but they sagged down a bit and I looked like my great grandmother on a bad day.
Anyway, I'm glad that I came to my senses. Mission Accomplished and all that. Let's all cut our great commander and chief a break. He's as sane as me.
DTS

#9 01-09-2007, 04:30 PM

It seems to me you reap what you sow. I dont think america has a choice but to send more troops into iraq. lets face it saddam was a bad man & deserved to die but all this bullshit about neuk weapons come on!!! and now it seems to me america is doing its usual should we shouldn't we trick when the time is allready over, the mess is allready made & now its time to clean it up.
Wouldnt just have been easier to just assasinate saddam ? i think its interesting that more americans have died there than at 7/11
We dont have much say down here our pm is so far up bushes arse that even surgery couldn't get him out

Downthestretch55 · #10 01-09-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic_Idol

It seems to me you reap what you sow. I dont think america has a choice but to send more troops into iraq. lets face it saddam was a bad man & deserved to die but all this bullshit about neuk weapons come on!!! and now it seems to me america is doing its usual should we shouldn't we trick when the time is allready over, the mess is allready made & now its time to clean it up.
Wouldnt just have been easier to just assasinate saddam ? i think its interesting that more americans have died there than at 7/11
We dont have much say down here our pm is so far up bushes arse that even surgery couldn't get him out

Wow Magic,
You sound serious!
Good luck with Bush's poodle.
I didn't know anything about all those people at the 7/11, geesh, they must have just wanted to buy some cigs or a six-pack. Open 24 hours and convenient.
Now 9-11 is a totally different story, but that drama has been more than played.
Do you think your pm will need surgery to have removal of his head?

#11 01-09-2007, 05:47 PM

Too late for him he's like a bloated tick ya can cut off his body but the dude's head is still stuck in there

As you can guess i'm not too accurate on dates or spelling for that matter

but being the smart fellows you are im sure you get my gist

Downthestretch55 · #12 01-09-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic_Idol

Too late for him he's like a bloated tick ya can cut off his body but the dude's head is still stuck in there

As you can guess i'm not too accurate on dates or spelling for that matter

but being the smart fellows you are im sure you get my gist

Magic,
Sometimes I'm just kidding. I've been known to be a bit sarcastic at times.
Heck, my sppeling isn't that grate sumtimes two.
Now, just soze yuze nose, most Amerikans hear don't believe in the cammander in deciept much any more. His support for the surge is at 26%.
Heck, he still has his advocates, Barney and Laura come to mind, maybe a few more. They must be getting their info from the nice folks in Lithuania.
As I've always said, as Lithuania goes, so goes the world.
DTS

#13 01-09-2007, 06:04 PM

Yeah i'm not that serious myself would rather spend my days with my horses than worrin about the world

but i gotta grump about sumthin prob why i wear a hat that says grizzly

Most of us in Australia reckon bush has sent america back at least 30 years
we all quite liked Clinton thou maybe he liked the girls back abit too much

Downthestretch55 · #14 01-09-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic_Idol

Yeah i'm not that serious myself would rather spend my days with my horses than worrin about the world

but i gotta grump about sumthin prob why i wear a hat that says grizzly

Most of us in Australia reckon bush has sent america back at least 30 years
we all quite liked Clinton thou maybe he liked the girls back abit too much

Nothin' at all wrong about girls. I wait til they grow up. Just me I guess.
ahMerikans are funny there.
Grizzlies are ok, but you have to hide your food in a tree. Even then they might try to come into your tent. Not a good thing in the middle of the night.
Also, I have some horsies....good uns.
nice to meet cha.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 01-09-2007, 09:37 PM

A Gallup poll says Americans are 88% against sending more troops in.I know exactly what Bush thinks about that.

"I understand that,and the majority of the American People are simply wrong about this."

GenuineRisk · #16 01-10-2007, 11:31 AM

From Andrew Sullivan's blog- a blast from the past--

"Some Americans ask me, if completing the mission is so important, why don't you send more troops? If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. As we determine the right force level, our troops can know that I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters: the sober judgment of our military leaders," - president George W. Bush, June 28, 2005, when more troops might actually have helped.

We may have a president with an excruciating ability to do exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time - every time. (Andrew Sullivan)

#17 01-10-2007, 11:36 AM

Andrew Sullivan is a flip-flopper.

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From Andrew Sullivan's blog- a blast from the past--

"Some Americans ask me, if completing the mission is so important, why don't you send more troops? If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. As we determine the right force level, our troops can know that I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters: the sober judgment of our military leaders," - president George W. Bush, June 28, 2005, when more troops might actually have helped.

We may have a president with an excruciating ability to do exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time - every time. (Andrew Sullivan)

Downthestretch55 · #18 01-10-2007, 12:15 PM

The "listener", "decider", "unifier" is insane. The sooner that others realize this, the sooner the insanity will end.
Should they not, the consequences will be very real and long lasting.

Downthestretch55 · #19 01-10-2007, 12:42 PM

This from Mccain's state. Dumb and dumber. Nice to know I'm not the only one that sees it.
http://www.thephoenix.com/article_ektid31389.aspx

GenuineRisk · #20 01-10-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Andrew Sullivan is a flip-flopper.

Actually, he sticks pretty solidly to his conservative beliefs. The flip-flopper is Bush-- against Homeland Security, and then for it. Against increasing troops, and then for it. What else is a real conservative to do than eventually say, "Bush is no conservative?" In a way, I've felt kind of bad for the guy (Sullivan, not Bush)- I've read his blog for a few years now and it's been interesting, watching him let go of his support for Bush. (I think it was Abu Ghraib and habeus corpus that finally convinced Sullivan that Bush wasn't fit to be President.)

Oooh! Which reminds me! He had a fun quiz to find out where you fall on the political spectrum. I'll go find it and post the link here.