she's really done enough...

[paisjpq]

from the ridiculous retirements section...

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37022

I know this was kind of a foregone conclusion the other day, but now it's official.

[randallscott35]

Hysterical. Breed them.



---DaHoss, I was wearing my Cobra Kai t-shirt today. Feel tougher when I wear it.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The real question is do you look tougher with it on?

answer...of course not...but how he feels is more important.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Amazing, simply amazing. Why even race anymore? She just turned 3 for chrissakes.

but really, she wasn't going to make the Oaks and since there are no other races for 3 YO fillies it's best to just breed her...and she probably has some soundness problem, so of course it makes sense to send her to a stallion who is known to pass along a few soundness problems of his own.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The real question is do you look tougher with it on?

First off, anyone looks tougher with a Cobra Kai T-shirt on. Anyone. Second, pais, I have become a bit of a gym rat. You will not recognize me in a Toga with a Goatee and a neck like McGwire.

[Ghostzapperfan]

This is getting absolutely ridiculous now. I agree, why even have races. Lets just have "virtual racing" in which we just imagine how these horses be long term, breed them, then retire their offspring based on a few workouts an a couple of good races.

Absolutely absurd...

ALostTexan

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

First off, anyone looks tougher with a Cobra Kai T-shirt on. Anyone. Second, pais, I have become a bit of a gym rat. You will not recognize me in a Toga with a Goatee and a neck like McGwire.

you don't have to impress me rand...I will love you no matter how tough you think you are...

[randallscott35]

For Beth--who pm'd me about it---- and the rest who are looking for a Cobra Kai shirt of their own.

http://search.80stees.com/?category=...egory&u2=theme

[Gander]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's kind of getting to be sad. The breeding business is gradually ruining the racing aspect of the sport. We've had numerous discussions about it, so I don't want to open up that can of worms again but retire a newly turned 3 year old filly because she won't make the Oaks?

And its only going to get worse. These filthy rich owners have yachts to buy and trust funds to fatten up for their kids. The sport has little chance to ever produce horses like my beloved Skip Away again. I feel bad for people who werent following horse racing during the 90s and instead look up to horses like Ghostzapper and Bernardini.

[King Glorious]

I know the when u say she's done enough, u were being sarcastic. But in reality, it's the truth, especially so when he comes to fillies. Once they gain black type, especially a grade one, they are on borrowed time on the track. She hasn't done enough to satisfy any fans but the breeders' have seen what they want.

[Gander]

She hasn't done enough to satisfy any fans

She couldnt possibly have any fans, shes run what 4 or 5 times?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I know the when u say she's done enough, u were being sarcastic. But in reality, it's the truth, especially so when he comes to fillies. Once they gain black type, especially a grade one, they are on borrowed time on the track. She hasn't done enough to satisfy any fans but the breeders' have seen what they want.

I think that is more true for the boys than the girls...a colt with a grade one can potentially make a fat paycheck in the first year that he goes to stud...a filly on the other hand won't earn a thing for close to 2 years...lets assume this filly gets in foal on the first or second cover...that sets her up for a feb foal in 08...the earliest that they might sell the foal is in the November sales...but more likely not til the yearling sales of 09...in the meantime you have stud fees vet fees and care for both mare and foal...personally I think that for a filly it makes more financial sense to run her if she is able

[DJK]

... and there are no other worthwhile races for 3 year old fillies.

i guess, soon, we'll just have to be content with gelding racing.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's kind of getting to be sad. The breeding business is gradually ruining the racing aspect of the sport. We've had numerous discussions about it, so I don't want to open up that can of worms again but retire a newly turned 3 year old filly because she won't make the Oaks?

While i agree that too many horses are whisked off to the breeding shed way too early, it's obvious that she suffered some type of an injury that is too much to overcome. She had maybe one work since the Oak Leaf, where she was a well beaten 2nd, at the end of September. Zayat has enough money that he couldve kept her in training and waited for the summer g1 races (the Alabama wouldve been perfect for her). Dont you think that Baffert wouldve made this evident if she had a minor injury? The quotes from Baffert and Sikura about her already doing enough are just a cover b/c they likely dont want to say that she was unsound (she was pushed pretty hard being a 2yo sales grad and she's a big filly), thus effecting her progeny in the sales ring.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

While i agree that too many horses are whisked off to the breeding shed way too early, it's obvious that she suffered some type of an injury that is too much to overcome. She had maybe one work since the Oak Leaf, where she was a well beaten 2nd, at the end of September. Zayat has enough money that he couldve kept her in training and waited for the summer g1 races (the Alabama wouldve been d (she was pushed pretty hard being a 2yo sales grad and she's a big filly), perfect for her). Dont you think that Baffert wouldve made this evident if she had a minor injury? The quotes from Baffert and Sikura about her already doing enough are just a cover b/c they likely dont want to say that she was unsounthus effecting her progeny in the sales ring.

I think that you are right. I think that it became apparent that something was wrong when she didn't start around the BC races or a little after.

[Linny]

Some one connected to the filly (Zayat or an agent) said pre-sale that PA "would never be worth more" than she is now. To me that says they knew she had a hole in her you could drive a semi through. It might not have been an injury but possibly a chronic problem that would have made training on a nightmare. Of course selling her to someone who'll now enter her into the gene pool is the right thing to do.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

. The days of breeding your own horse, or buying it, racing it and then selling are long gone. Nowadays a horse is sold more times than it is raced and it's ruining the racing.

you are correct and its a shame b/c it's created a diluted sport

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

While i agree that too many horses are whisked off to the breeding shed way too early, it's obvious that she suffered some type of an injury that is too much to overcome. She had maybe one work since the Oak Leaf, where she was a well beaten 2nd, at the end of September. Zayat has enough money that he couldve kept her in training and waited for the summer g1 races (the Alabama wouldve been perfect for her). Dont you think that Baffert wouldve made this evident if she had a minor injury? The quotes from Baffert and Sikura about her already doing enough are just a cover b/c they likely dont want to say that she was unsound (she was pushed pretty hard being a 2yo sales grad and she's a big filly), thus effecting her progeny in the sales ring.

I have actually heard rumors that she did have an injury...tendon I think...but horses come back from that all the time. I agree that she may have developed problems as a result of being pushed too hard too early...but that's just another problem within the entire ndustry...the fact that nobody wants to put the proper time into these animals...it's all about maximizing ROI in the shortest amount of time...Zayat got his $$, and now Sikura wants his turn...it's a sad state of affairs.

Never got to race as a three year old. I thought this horse was going to be something special. Maybe the "specialness" will be as a mommy. Here is the link to the story.

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37027

[The Bid]

Storm Cat should be charged with statutory