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[10 pnt move up]

Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez/Carreno)

Man, i forgot about this but what was up with the passive ride on this horse in the preakness?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez/Carreno)

Man, i forgot about this but what was up with the passive ride on this horse in the preakness?

Terrible rider on the big stage? He's either out of his league or got the worst instructions ever.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Terrible rider on the big stage? He's either out of his league or got the worst instructions ever.

+1

The smartest jockeys are the ones that ignore trainers instructions when it comes to riding a race.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Terrible rider on the big stage? He's either out of his league or got the worst instructions ever.

On DRF it was reported that Carreno said the gates opened as the horse was still fully loading.

[Mike]

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

[LITF]

In regards to Epicharis, no need to judge anything off of Thunder Snow's antics in the Derby. The Peter Pan was run in a bog so one could be inclined to ignore Master Plan's performance as well. If you liked Epicharis coming out of the UAE Derby there is no reason, at least based off those two performances, to change opinion.

That's how I am going to look at it. I like this horse a bit in here, especially if he is double digit odds.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Mike

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

Why would his chances be downgraded? Unless Thunder Snow told him 'hey dude, we should have pact. Come out of the gate in whatever TC race they enter you in and start bucking...' what would that do for anything involving Epicharis? Thunder Snow's dad was a nut. Thunder Snow acted like a nut. (Well, people who knew the sire knew he did stuff that made this no surprise so I'm gonna slap the nut label on there).

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Mike

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

Probably

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Mike

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

No

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Mike

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

I wouldn't worry about it. Thunder Snow didn't really run, and Master Plan ran on slop during a stretch where Pletcher's barn started to struggle badly.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Mike

Should Epicharis' chances be downgraded due to the Thunder Snow debacle (he was my bet in the Derby) and Master Plan's poor Peter Pan?

His chances should be downgraded because he is a woefully slow horse.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

His chances should be downgraded because he is a woefully slow horse.

Thunder Snow just ran second to Churchill in the Irish 2000 Guineas. I guess that Churchill is merely just a slow horse then?

[Kasept]

Sir Barton 3rd True Timber, who had potential to prompt the pace, knocked out of Belmont by a fever..

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Kitan

On DRF it was reported that Carreno said the gates opened as the horse was still fully loading.

He can say whatever he wants, but from the head on of the start, I see a horse standing still with a guy at his head. 'Still coming forward' my ass. Excuses excuses. Trainer acted like he wasn't fast enough early on that day so what are they gonna come up with next? Jockey blamed the start, but the start of Conquest Mo Money seemed fine. Now we hear he's going to Fair Hill for some sort of work with Tres Abbott but will run in Hernandez' name in the Belmont. http://www.drf.com/news/tres-abbott-...quest-mo-money I don't think CMM needs to find some zen. I think they're screwing around with a nice horse and blaming everybody but themselves.