Derek Ryan on Quality Road: "Look him in the eye and he's counterfeit"

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Really? Mine That Bird will try Blame again? Hmmm...well...he will eat up money...

Speaking of Mine That Bird, Haskin was talking about how he pointed MTB (I think to the Mig was it? It was on ATR that he said it) and the physical transformation from before was amazing. Muscles on top of muscles or something. I couldn't tell on the NYRA video. Why does he end up an afterthought again?

[Danzig]

because he didn't run ten f in the slop versus three year olds? no, seriously..he wouldn't be the first classic winner never to win again. i remember reading that lukas said they had worked with him to get him to lay closer early-i'm assuming that didn't work out?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Can pretty much say the same thing about RA

Asmussen must've soiled his boxers when he saw speed merchant QR get caught last Saturday.

He'll probably try to get them to run those NYRA steamrollers over the strip before the PE.

you can say this about alot of them and the stayers always get underestimated and no respect. blame is the newest one. they keep breeding quality roads and rachels and bernardinis...when the real runners are invasor, zenyatta and now blame....i still remember how bernardini and discreet cat were going to "beat up" on invasor. he was like 6 to 7-1 in the classic and pissed all over bernardini......he did the same to discreet cat. yeah the flash of speed is exciting,winning by open lengths(when they can) the number freaks love them but in a true classic battle, they usually wilt.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

you can say this about alot of them and the stayers always get underestimated and no respect. blame is the newest one. they keep breeding quality roads and rachels and bernardinis...when the real runners are invasor, zenyatta and now blame....i still remember how bernardini and discreet cat were going to "beat up" on invasor. he was like 6 to 7-1 in the classic and pissed all over bernardini......he did the same to discreet cat. yeah the flash of speed is exciting,winning by open lengths(when they can) the number freaks love them but in a true classic battle, they usually wilt.

Are we talking about Godolphin's Bernardini or another Bernardini? Because Godolphin's colt was NOT a speed horse like QR. He was a stone cold runner, by the way. If Invasor is so great, then how do you say that a 3 year old Bernardini, who may not have even run his race, wilted? He beat every other horse in the race except one. That's to Bernardini's credit that he ran well against a great horse......

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

you can say this about alot of them and the stayers always get underestimated and no respect. blame is the newest one. they keep breeding quality roads and rachels and bernardinis...when the real runners are invasor, zenyatta and now blame....i still remember how bernardini and discreet cat were going to "beat up" on invasor. he was like 6 to 7-1 in the classic and pissed all over bernardini......he did the same to discreet cat. yeah the flash of speed is exciting,winning by open lengths(when they can) the number freaks love them but in a true classic battle, they usually wilt.

I love when stayers expose speed horses in the longer route races.

Yeah, the numbers guys were fawning all over Bernardini in that '06 BCC.

Invasor barely beat the mediocre Sun King in his previous race, iirc

Way too slow to handle the super fast B they said … lol

Don't get me wrong, B was a real nice colt, and clearly no cheap speed horse (would've loved to watch him run as a 4yo), but he ran into a buzz saw win machine that day.

Apparently the numbers guys haven't found a way to measure heart yet.


DISGRACEFUL that they continue to shorten theses races too … the Suburban being the latest victim

Probably doing it to accommodate all the cheap speed garbage that breeders seem to keep turning out year after year

Certainly not holding my breath waiting for that next TC winner to come along…

[Dahoss]

Smooth Operator, be honest for a second, when is the last time you made a bet on a horse race?

[clyde]

Honest For A Second won't like this.




I'm leaving to bet all of my 3 dollars.

[Dahoss]

I cleared it with honest for a second beforehand.

[clyde]

Good thinking.





OOOOOOOOOO

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i still remember how bernardini and discreet cat were going to "beat up" on invasor. pissed all over bernardini......he did the same to discreet cat. yeah the flash of speed is exciting,winning by open lengths(when they can) the number freaks love them but in a true classic battle, they usually wilt.

I assume you missed the UAE Derby - where Discreet Cat beat the living hell out of Invasor?

But hey, I know, Invasor later "avenged" that defeat when Discreet Cat was last at every call and beat 30+ lengths off of a layoff in a race where PG'85 with a gleam of Old Country Buffet's front door in his eye - could have beaten him around the track.

[the_fat_man]

Hard to believe there are still some who don't quite understand that Bernie moved TOO EARLY in the Classic, giving Invasor pretty much a perfect trip last run. Not exactly a good example of a distance challenged horse, IMO.

The best horse in the world would lose EVERY TIME, to inferior competition, in a race where the FLOW went against it (or it went against the flow).

[slotdirt]

Yeah, Bernardini isn't exactly the best example of a horse who couldn't get 10f, but this is a Smooth Operator example we're discussing, so being factually correct isn't exactly important.

[Smooth Operator]

Think the fact that Invasor was a little older and more mature had just as much to do with Dini going down in that contest.

Run the race ten more times and Invasor gets the best of him more often than not, in my estimation

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Smooth Operator, be honest for a second, when is the last time you made a bet on a horse race?

For a second???

Probably not a more honest guy on the board ... lol


11/7/09

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Think the fact that Invasor was a little older and more mature had just as much to do with Dini going down in that contest.

Run the race ten more times and Invasor gets the best of him more often than not, in my estimation

WRONG.

[Smooth Operator]

Whatever, Rock

You're certainly entitled to your opinion...

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Think the fact that Invasor was a little older and more mature had just as much to do with Dini going down in that contest.

Run the race ten more times and Invasor gets the best of him more often than not, in my estimation

I wonder how many races it would have taken for Lava Man and Giacamo to win one race between them.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

For a second???

Probably not a more honest guy on the board ... lol


11/7/09

Now that's funny

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Whatever, Rock

You're certainly entitled to your opinion...

You know I love Z, I think shes much better then that other filly, but I think Bernardini was a total freak. I think Z would have been hard pressed to beat him.

[Smooth Operator]

Needed to see Dini as a 4yo … but clearly he was a very nice colt.

GZ was freakish when he started putting it all together later in his 3yo season.