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There are, generally speaking, few baseball players who deserve to get in that don't (Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker excepted), but there are also a massive amount of players in the baseball HOF who have no business being there, more so than the football version. Maybe massive is too strong a word, but there are at least 20 players in the current baseball HOF who I would argue don't belong. I'm looking at you, Orlando Cepeda.
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until RON SANTO gets in GFY BHOF.
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There are, generally speaking, few baseball players who deserve to get in that don't (Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker excepted), but there are also a massive amount of players in the baseball HOF who have no business being there, more so than the football version. Maybe massive is too strong a word, but there are at least 20 players in the current baseball HOF who I would argue don't belong. I'm looking at you, Orlando Cepeda.
LOL Lou Whitaker
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:35 AM
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LOL all you want, but the only players above him in WAR for position players that aren't in the HOF are either active (Pujols, Chipper Jones, ARod, Thome), did roids or otherwise cheated (Pete Rose, Bonds), or played in like 1884 (Bill Dahlen). 56th all-time when compared to replacement over the course of his career, higher than guys like Duke Snider, Manny Ramirez, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovey, Eddie Murray, and Roberto Alomar, to name a few. Sandwiched between future HOF-er Derek Jeter and current HOF-er Al Simmons.

Alan Trammell is underrated and deserves to be in the HOF, but the fact that Lou Whitaker got dropped off the ballot after one year and Ryne Sandberg was easily enshrined is truly one of the biggest travesties in the history of the BBWAA.
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LOL all you want, but the only players above him in WAR for position players that aren't in the HOF are either active (Pujols, Chipper Jones, ARod, Thome), did roids or otherwise cheated (Pete Rose, Bonds), or played in like 1884 (Bill Dahlen). 56th all-time when compared to replacement over the course of his career, higher than guys like Duke Snider, Manny Ramirez, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovey, Eddie Murray, and Roberto Alomar, to name a few. Sandwiched between future HOF-er Derek Jeter and current HOF-er Al Simmons.

Alan Trammell is underrated and deserves to be in the HOF, but the fact that Lou Whitaker got dropped off the ballot after one year and Ryne Sandberg was easily enshrined is truly one of the biggest travesties in the history of the BBWAA.
Pete Rose should be in the HOF
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:38 AM
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Agreed.
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There are, generally speaking, few baseball players who deserve to get in that don't (Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker excepted), but there are also a massive amount of players in the baseball HOF who have no business being there, more so than the football version. Maybe massive is too strong a word, but there are at least 20 players in the current baseball HOF who I would argue don't belong. I'm looking at you, Orlando Cepeda.
There are a lot of undeserving guys put in by the veterans committee a long time ago. The problem with WAR is that it incorporates defense which doesn't have many identifiable stats which is what the vast majority of voters base their votes on.

Catfish Hunter does deserve to be in
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Don't get me started on Catfish. I think he's easily the worst pitcher in the HOF, and you disagree. No need to rehash that argument.
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Don't get me started on Catfish. I think he's easily the worst pitcher in the HOF, and you disagree. No need to rehash that argument.
How anyone could possibly rank him below Dizzy Dean or Red Ruffing is beyond me
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Or Rube Marquard I suppose.
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Or Rube Marquard I suppose.
Burleigh Grimes is questionable as well
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Funny that you mention Dean when he's basically in the HOF for the same reason Hunter is - a couple decent peak years. Unfortunately for your argument, Dean had more and better peak years than did Hunter. Ruffing also kills Hunter in virtually every measurable meaningful statistic save career ERA, plus he was inducted because just about every decent Yanks player from that time is also in the HOF. Not my cup of tea, but probably at least equally as deserving as Hunter.

I think Marquard is his only real competition for the title of "worst pitcher in the baseball HOF" to be honest.
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Burleigh Grimes is also on the questionable list, I would agree.
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Funny that you mention Dean when he's basically in the HOF for the same reason Hunter is - a couple decent peak years. Unfortunately for your argument, Dean had more and better peak years than did Hunter. Ruffing also kills Hunter in virtually every measurable meaningful statistic save career ERA, plus he was inducted because just about every decent Yanks player from that time is also in the HOF. Not my cup of tea, but probably at least equally as deserving as Hunter.

I think Marquard is his only real competition for the title of "worst pitcher in the baseball HOF" to be honest.
Dean had 3 really good years and 2 pretty good years and pretty much thats it. You want to penalize Hunter for being in the bigs at 19 and having 3 injury plagued years where he didnt even make 1/2 season at the end of his career. Hunter is a better pitcher than Ruffing.
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I thought Deion Sanders was an easy choice

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