Tim Duncan

[cmorioles]

Like I said, Duncan isn't really a factor whether he plays well or not. The Spurs go as Parker goes, and he isn't going lately.

[Calzone Lord]

Duncan finished the game +17 over his 33 minutes even though they lost by 5 points.

In the 15 minutes he was on the bench, the Thunder outscored them by 23 points.

Duncan was +18 in the previous home game and lead the Spurs in that stat the last home game.

Maybe it's not so much that Duncan is the key guy when he's on the floor -- it's just that his replacements all suck? I don't know, I don't watch.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Like I said, Duncan isn't really a factor whether he plays well or not. The Spurs go as Parker goes, and he isn't going lately.

Duncan was good, Parker wasn't, Thunder win. Parker looks lost out there right now.

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

Westbrook was struggling. I was screaming at my TV "let Harden handle the ball!" Apparently, my TV passed on the info.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Good for Harden. Take that shot like a boss and save your team from OT.

Big man crush on Harden. Top 15 player right now IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Big man crush on Harden. Top 15 player right now IMO.

I have no idea how you compare different positions like Centers (like Duncan) and Point guards but...
No particular order
Kobe
Wade
Howard
Durant
James
Dirk
Paul
Williams
Westbrook
Love
Bynum
Griffin
Rondo
Anthony
Rose
Gasol/Gasol
Aldridge
Ginobilli
Pierce
Garnett
Nash
Jefferson
Chandler
Smith
Johnson
Parker

Forgetting anyone?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea how you compare different positions like Centers (like Duncan) and Point guards but...
No particular order
Kobe
Wade
Howard
Durant
James
Dirk
Paul
Williams
Westbrook
Love
Bynum
Griffin
Rondo
Anthony
Rose
Gasol/Gasol
Aldridge
Ginobilli
Pierce
Garnett
Nash
Jefferson
Chandler
Smith
Johnson
Parker

Forgetting anyone?

Of course outside the very top it is pretty subjective, but I see a few I wouldn't dream of taking over Harden. Those include:

Gasol/Gasol (especially Pau)
Bynum
Griffin
Ginobli (they are very close, but one is young, one isn't and he misses a lot of time)
Pierce (really, now?)
Jefferson (Al or Richard? ROFLMAO)
Smith


One I would add though:

Irving

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course outside the very top it is pretty subjective, but I see a few I wouldn't dream of taking over Harden. Those include:

You've obviously seen Harden a lot more than I have, so let me ask you....don't you think playing with Westbrook and Durant helps out Harden's game a lot? In the same way a guy hitting in front of or behind someone like Pujols looks better than maybe they are?

Clearly Harden is a very good player. But I wonder if he looks better because of what is around him.

Off topic, but whoever your GM is deserves a raise. He's hit a lot of homeruns in the draft.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course outside the very top it is pretty subjective, but I see a few I wouldn't dream of taking over Harden. Those include:

Gasol/Gasol (especially Pau)
Bynum
Griffin
Ginobli (they are very close, but one is young, one isn't and he misses a lot of time)
Pierce (really, now?)
Jefferson (Al or Richard? ROFLMAO)
Smith


One I would add though:

Irving

You would take Harden over Andrew Bynum or Blake Griffin? lol ok
Al Jefferson averages 20-10
Josh smith averaged 19-9-4 last year

Harden has gone from being unknown to a bit overrated very quickly.
This is a guy averaging 13 points and 3.5 assists in the playoffs
And the idea that playing with Durant and Westbrook doesn't help him is strange. Coming off the bench means initially he is matched up against subs plus the opposing teams best perimiter defender is almost never on him as he is on Durant, Westbrook or resting if those guys aren't in the game.
He is a good defender, great penetrating from the point, good open 3 point shooter and decent passer but the team he plays on makes a big difference in his game because he has to have the ball in his hand to be most effective. Put him on the Lakers or Knicks or Heat or teams with ball stoppers and he wouldn't fare well. Put him on a team like Utah or the Nets and nobody would hear from him again.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Duncan was good, Parker wasn't, Thunder win. Parker looks lost out there right now.

This is what Parker is resorting to now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IPPDuHWkVZo